Friends spell is getting me killed.

[otakon17]

Do NOT use it on Kaghra to boost your chances of saving the kid through dialogue, soon as it ends the penalty kicks in and the ENTIRE ROOM goes hostile against you. Also WHY DOESN'T THE GAME PAUSE IN MENUS!?

[MeatGolem]

Yeah, if someone manipulated my mind to make me do and think what they wanted, I'd probably kill them too.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by otakon17:

Do NOT use it on Kaghra to boost your chances of saving the kid through dialogue, soon as it ends the penalty kicks in and the ENTIRE ROOM goes hostile against you. Also WHY DOESN'T THE GAME PAUSE IN MENUS!?

Yeah friends is a trap cantrip.
Only usefull for people you will never see again.
As for pause.
It doesnt?

[Sonic Titan]

I don't know what you were expecting?

[Jack the Roamer]

Yeah, they realized you casted a spell on them, so someone prone to violence will attack you

[Indure]

It would be awesome if you could combine friends with disguise self to avoid the penalty.

[boo_guy]

Originally posted by otakon17:

Do NOT use it on Kaghra to boost your chances of saving the kid through dialogue, soon as it ends the penalty kicks in and the ENTIRE ROOM goes hostile against you. Also WHY DOESN'T THE GAME PAUSE IN MENUS!?

It's use is rather limited to people you'll never see again or people you plan to murder anyway.

So yea generally just avoid it.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by Indure:

It would be awesome if you could combine friends with disguise self to avoid the penalty.

Yeah disguise self just seem to race swap you.
Rather sad.

[Enclave]

WotC really needs to rework Enemies, I mean Friends, to be more akin to Guidance but better, let it be like 1d6 instead of 1d4 but only work for Charisma ability checks instead of all ability checks.

[Brady4444]

Yes, I forget which patch it happened. At first, you could use Friends to cheese almost any social situation in EA. They nerfed that. As others have said, it has uses. But in EA as it currently is, I find Friends is a waste of a cantrip slot.

[Enclave]

Originally posted by Brady4444:

Yes, I forget which patch it happened. At first, you could use Friends to cheese almost any social situation in EA. They nerfed that. As others have said, it has uses. But in EA as it currently is, I find Friends is a waste of a cantrip slot.

They didn't really nerf it so much as made it work how it's supposed to work. Yes, it's an ultra niche cantrip and most people do not ever learn it due to how just about every other cantrip is more useful in more situations.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Brady4444:

Yes, I forget which patch it happened. At first, you could use Friends to cheese almost any social situation in EA. They nerfed that. As others have said, it has uses. But in EA as it currently is, I find Friends is a waste of a cantrip slot.

Well you don't want it to be OP and it's not meant to be spammed, however the npc eventually forgets I'm pretty sure so if you teleport away you'll be fine... I think lol

[Brady4444]

Originally posted by Brandon:

Originally posted by Brady4444:

Yes, I forget which patch it happened. At first, you could use Friends to cheese almost any social situation in EA. They nerfed that. As others have said, it has uses. But in EA as it currently is, I find Friends is a waste of a cantrip slot.

They didn't really nerf it so much as made it work how it's supposed to work. Yes, it's an ultra niche cantrip and most people do not ever learn it due to how just about every other cantrip is more useful in more situations.

What you said is what I meant. It is 'nerfed' gameplay, but yeah it would have made social/charisma skill checks obsolete.

[Farsha]

Friends 5e definition.
For the duration, you have advantage on all Charisma checks directed at one creature of your choice that isn't hostile toward you. When the spell ends, the creature realizes that you used magic to influence its mood and becomes hostile toward you. A creature prone to violence might attack you. Another creature might seek retribution in other ways (at the DM's discretion), depending on the nature of your interaction with it.

Works as intended, don't use it if you want to stick around or come back.
And no it's not a good spell unless you want to create chaos, which some characters do want to.

[otakon17]

Originally posted by Sonic Titan:

I don't know what you were expecting?

I wasn't expecting INSTANT DEATH SENTENCE, that's what I wasn't expecting. Making it basically completely useless as you're penalized for using it. Kinda messed up actually. "Take this seemingly useful spell! Oh wait it basically makes everyone attack you soon as it's over, HAHA!"

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Honestly I love the irony in "Friends" being one of the quickest ways to make permanent enemies...I hope they never change that...xD