Paladins: Can they chose their Patron diety?

[El Presidente]

Like will we ba able to chose the God that we are serving/ are Oath sworn to? Sadly we are lacking that Option in EA

[Friends with Benedicts]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

Not that worshipping a god is needed for a Paladin in 5e of course, all D&D players know it isn't.

Worshipping and being tied to a god are different things. And again if your power comes from the divinity pool you are in fact tied to a god or gods.

does d&d separate between divine and arcane? are those the only two sources of power for spell casting? I mean technically speaking, not "lore-wise"

[Brady4444]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mister Inadequate:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pozhinateli:

Most stupid excuse I ever heard. Religion is exactly what make a paladin a paladin.

I would argue that the Oath is what makes a Paladin a Paladin. If you want to RP that the Oath is made to your personal Deity - go for it.

That's how I always thought it worked, and I go back to AD&D (1st and 2nd homebrew).

[Ghost]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von El Presidente:

Well does the chosen diety influence the Gameplay for clerics in any way?

In some cases, yes. Lolth gets some stuff with Drow and spiders, Selune has a chest etc.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von El Presidente:

Well does the chosen diety influence the Gameplay for clerics in any way?

Everything. "Divine magic, as the name suggests, is the power of the gods, flowing from them into the world." "Clerics are the conduit for that power, manifesting it as miraculous effects. The gods don't grant this power to everyone who seeks it, but only to those chosen to fulfill a high calling" - 5e PHB

[Pozhinateli]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pozhinateli:

Most stupid excuse I ever heard. Religion is exactly what make a paladin a paladin.

Not in 5E, in 5E the Paladins power comes from their oath. I've read a theory that a deity picks up on the Paladin making an oath and grants power to the Paladin without needing the worship of the Paladin and without their knowledge. I'm a big fan of that theory, I always thought that belief in an oath giving power was kinda dumb.

D&D is definitely went in to pure absurd. Another reason why this game should not have name of Baldur's Gate.

[rico01]

I can choose a deity when I made a paladin a couple of weeks ago. Not sure if it will be in the final version though.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Friends with Benedicts:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

Worshipping and being tied to a god are different things. And again if your power comes from the divinity pool you are in fact tied to a god or gods.

does d&d separate between divine and arcane? are those the only two sources of power for spell casting? I mean technically speaking, not "lore-wise"

It does separate between divine and arcane only Paladins and Clerics don't generally have access to those power pools or when they do it's a fraction of what is available to them.

I've always personally liked the idea that if you really wanted to seperate the Paladin, then you would have them derive their powers from the planes of existence instead. Such as being tied to a powerful elemental.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pozhinateli:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

Not in 5E, in 5E the Paladins power comes from their oath. I've read a theory that a deity picks up on the Paladin making an oath and grants power to the Paladin without needing the worship of the Paladin and without their knowledge. I'm a big fan of that theory, I always thought that belief in an oath giving power was kinda dumb.

D&D is definitely went in to pure absurd. Another reason why this game should not have name of Baldur's Gate.

I mean what Paton is saying is cope as far as where the Paladin gets their power. It's literally written in the rule books. In fact I just quoted the reasoning behind it in my quote about clerics straight from the rule books.

The power of 'promise' is absurd and silly.

[Wubbinz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von rico01:

I can choose a deity when I made a paladin a couple of weeks ago. Not sure if it will be in the final version though.

I forget how BG3 does Paladin character creation but when making a Paladin using more official tools like D&DBeyond you're never required to choose a deity as a Paladin.

[Wubbinz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pozhinateli:

D&D is definitely went in to pure absurd. Another reason why this game should not have name of Baldur's Gate.

I mean what Paton is saying is cope as far as where the Paladin gets their power. It's literally written in the rule books. In fact I just quoted the reasoning behind it in my quote about clerics straight from the rule books.

The power of 'promise' is absurd and silly.

I already agreed that the power of oath is dumb. Doesn't change the fact that it's all that a Paladin needs. An atheist Paladin is still a Paladin with the full set of powers. I like the theory that a god just decides to quietly give Paladins their power without any kind of involvement or worship needed but it's never explicitly stated that that's what happens.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

I mean what Paton is saying is cope as far as where the Paladin gets their power. It's literally written in the rule books. In fact I just quoted the reasoning behind it in my quote about clerics straight from the rule books.

The power of 'promise' is absurd and silly.

I already agreed that the power of oath is dumb. Doesn't change the fact that it's all that a Paladin needs. An atheist Paladin is still a Paladin with the full set of powers. I like the theory that a god just decides to quietly give Paladins their power without any kind of involvement or worship needed but it's never explicitly stated that that's what happens.

It isn't all they need. What you're talking about is surface mechanics without reading between the lines.

"Divine magic, as the name suggests, is the power of the gods, flowing from them into the world."

What do you think that means if Paladins use divine magic? The idea that a god just quietly gives someone powers is silly. Why? Because of this next line.

"The gods don't grant this power to everyone who seeks it, but only to those chosen to fulfill a high calling"

That implies that the person is chosen. And while yes you could RP something along the lines of a god simply watching their chosen but when you consider the nature of the gods that doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Wubbinz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

I already agreed that the power of oath is dumb. Doesn't change the fact that it's all that a Paladin needs. An atheist Paladin is still a Paladin with the full set of powers. I like the theory that a god just decides to quietly give Paladins their power without any kind of involvement or worship needed but it's never explicitly stated that that's what happens.

It isn't all they need. What you're talking about is surface mechanics without reading between the lines.

"Divine magic, as the name suggests, is the power of the gods, flowing from them into the world."

What do you think that means if Paladins use divine magic?

Without direct knowledge it's all speculation. For all I know their sheer conviction and determination is granting them a spark of inner divinity. After all gods aren't the only godly beings that exist. There are angels and aasimar that have divinity but they're not gods.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

It isn't all they need. What you're talking about is surface mechanics without reading between the lines.

"Divine magic, as the name suggests, is the power of the gods, flowing from them into the world."

What do you think that means if Paladins use divine magic?

Without direct knowledge it's all speculation. For all I know their sheer conviction and determination is granting them a spark of inner divinity. After all gods aren't the only godly beings that exist. There are angels and aasimar that have divinity but they're not gods.

No and that's specifically mentioned in an older supplement. It implicitly states that the divine spark can only come from a god. Angels and Aasimar are directly tied to gods as well. They do not have the power to grant divinity.

[Wubbinz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

Without direct knowledge it's all speculation. For all I know their sheer conviction and determination is granting them a spark of inner divinity. After all gods aren't the only godly beings that exist. There are angels and aasimar that have divinity but they're not gods.

No and that's specifically mentioned in an older supplement. It implicitly states that the divine spark can only come from a god.

Older supplement as in not 5e?

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paton:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vixzian:

No and that's specifically mentioned in an older supplement. It implicitly states that the divine spark can only come from a god.

Older supplement as in not 5e?

Correct because 5e hasn't updated several supplements such as Legends & Lore or Deities and Demigods. Which does not invalidate them lol. It's already heavily implied enough just in the PHB alone.