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El Presidente Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:09am
Paladins: Can they chose their Patron diety?
Like will we ba able to chose the God that we are serving/ are Oath sworn to? Sadly we are lacking that Option in EA
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The Dapper Dragon Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:13am 
AFAIK, 5E in general has gotten rid of religion from Paladins, because people didn't like having religion tied to a character in a roleplaying game.
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MeldinX2 Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:16am 
Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:
AFAIK, 5E in general has gotten rid of religion from Paladins, because people didn't like having religion tied to a character in a roleplaying game.

Yet Clerics still have it. Seems dumb to me. Why not give the options and have one of the options be ''No deity''?
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Ghost Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:16am 
5E Paladins are busking on the streets, getting handouts from whichever forces like what they're doing. They can't currently choose, but do get some Tyr dialogue. No idea whether they can choose or not in full release yet.

Originally posted by MeldinX2:
Yet Clerics still have it. Seems dumb to me. Why not give the options and have one of the options be ''No deity''?

Clerics literally work for the gods.
Last edited by Ghost; Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:17am
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Mister Inadequate Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:19am 
Originally posted by Ghost:
5E Paladins are busking on the streets, getting handouts from whichever forces like what they're doing. They can't currently choose, but do get some Tyr dialogue. No idea whether they can choose or not in full release yet.

Originally posted by MeldinX2:
Yet Clerics still have it. Seems dumb to me. Why not give the options and have one of the options be ''No deity''?

Clerics literally work for the gods.
Well, essentially in EA, they choose their Oath and that kind of works for their Deity. They have sworn to that Oath and it is their Ideal. Unless they break it.
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Recjawjind Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:20am 
In 5e, paladins dont get their powers from a deity. They can follow one if they so wish (just like any other character), but their power actually comes from their innate conviction to their oath, which is completely independent of any deity.
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Pozhinateli Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:25am 
Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:
AFAIK, 5E in general has gotten rid of religion from Paladins, because people didn't like having religion tied to a character in a roleplaying game.

Most stupid excuse I ever heard. Religion is exactly what make a paladin a paladin.
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Mister Inadequate Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:28am 
Originally posted by Pozhinateli:
Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:
AFAIK, 5E in general has gotten rid of religion from Paladins, because people didn't like having religion tied to a character in a roleplaying game.

Most stupid excuse I ever heard. Religion is exactly what make a paladin a paladin.
I would argue that the Oath is what makes a Paladin a Paladin. If you want to RP that the Oath is made to your personal Deity - go for it.
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Wubbinz Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:29am 
Originally posted by Pozhinateli:
Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:
AFAIK, 5E in general has gotten rid of religion from Paladins, because people didn't like having religion tied to a character in a roleplaying game.

Most stupid excuse I ever heard. Religion is exactly what make a paladin a paladin.
Not in 5E, in 5E the Paladins power comes from their oath. I've read a theory that a deity picks up on the Paladin making an oath and grants power to the Paladin without needing the worship of the Paladin and without their knowledge. I'm a big fan of that theory, I always thought that belief in an oath giving power was kinda dumb.
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Vixziค็็็็็n Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:39am 
Originally posted by Ghost:
5E Paladins are busking on the streets, getting handouts from whichever forces like what they're doing. They can't currently choose, but do get some Tyr dialogue. No idea whether they can choose or not in full release yet.

Originally posted by MeldinX2:
Yet Clerics still have it. Seems dumb to me. Why not give the options and have one of the options be ''No deity''?

Clerics literally work for the gods.

LOL welcome to why D&D is broken (not really because religion and alignment still exist it's just put into the background why? because you can't get rid of it. It's the core of D&D) and all the anti religion people cope.

Paladins literally work for the gods too. When is the last time you read their description in the PHB. Anything that has the power of divinity means they work for the gods. You cannot have access to the pool of divinity without intervention on behalf of a deity. PERIOD.

Straight from the 5e PHB "Although many paladins are devoted to gods of good, a paladin's power comes as much from a commitment to justice itself as it does from a god. (See the god tie in... still there.)

Another fun fact is that it is heavily implied that Paladins are good... like very heavily.

You'll definitely see the mental gymnastics to try and separate it but it's pretty funny.
Last edited by Vixziค็็็็็n; Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:41am
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Friends with Benedicts Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:43am 
watch me do lawful evil paladins
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Vixziค็็็็็n Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:44am 
Originally posted by Friends with Benedicts:
watch me do lawful evil paladins

I'm personally all for it because it makes sense considering the varying types of gods. And many official supplements prior to 5e have Paladins of varying alignments. Which isn't to say that 5e doesn't allow for it, it's just that it's heavily marginilized. Per 5e "As guardians against the forces of wickedness, paladins are rareley of any evil alignment."

If you read the DMs guide all oathbreakers are evil.
Last edited by Vixziค็็็็็n; Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:47am
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Wubbinz Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:45am 
Originally posted by Vixzian:
Originally posted by Friends with Benedicts:
watch me do lawful evil paladins

I'm personally all for it because it makes sense considering the varying types of gods. And many official supplements prior to 5e have Paladins of varying alignments.
Not that worshipping a god is needed for a Paladin in 5e of course, all D&D players know it isn't.
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Vixziค็็็็็n Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by Paton:
Originally posted by Vixzian:

I'm personally all for it because it makes sense considering the varying types of gods. And many official supplements prior to 5e have Paladins of varying alignments.
Not that worshipping a god is needed for a Paladin in 5e of course, all D&D players know it isn't.

Worshipping and being tied to a god are different things. And again if your power comes from the divinity pool you are in fact tied to a god or gods.
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El Presidente Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:48am 
Well does the chosen diety influence the Gameplay for clerics in any way?
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Wubbinz Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:50am 
Originally posted by Vixzian:
Originally posted by Paton:
Not that worshipping a god is needed for a Paladin in 5e of course, all D&D players know it isn't.

Worshipping and being tied to a god are different things. And again if your power comes from the divinity pool you are in fact tied to a god or gods.
Possibly but when the tie is so loose that you don't even know which deity may be granting your powers it's not even RP fluff at that point it's literally nothing.
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