is POE the true BG successor?

[Wobblyshrimp]

This game is very good but isn't it just DOS:3 with some DnD rules and flavor inserted? POE seems to capture the essence of BG more than this. All great games regardless, just wondering if anyone else was thinking the same.

[fluong]

What is it that we are talking about when we talk about a "true successor to Baldur's Gate"? If we are merely talking about gameplay mechanics and user experience (by which I only mean the Real-Time with Pause mechanics), yeah, sure Pillars of Eternity is certainly *derivative* of Baldur's Gate. But then so are Planescape: Torment, Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale, Jade Empire, Arcanum, or even Dragon Age: Origins and the first Witcher (both of which were built using modified versions of the Neverwinter Nights engine). If we are to discount the use of the Forgotten Realms as a criteria for a true successor to Baldur's Gate, what makes those games less of a true successor to Baldur's Gate than Pillars of Eternity?

Baldur's Gate was a watershed moment in the history of CRPGs. It did what other CRPG did before it, but better, and it added some more. The Eye of the Beholder and Gold Box games looked positively primitive compared to the scope of Baldur's Gate, as did CRPGs in other series. Baldur's Gate 3 is at a similar moment. After Baldur's Gate 3, I look at Wasteland 3, Pillars of Eternity, and Pathfinder the same way I looked at Eye of the Beholder 3, Dark Sun: Shattered Lands, or (*gasp*) Ultima VII after the first Baldur's Gate came out.

[Dagon_Thrall]

Originally posted by cool skill:

Originally posted by breadman:

poe? as in path of exile? that's a hack and slash diablo clone, wtf does it have to do with this

You clearly have absolutely no clue wtf you're talking about. PoE is done similarly to original Baldur's gate. And nothing whatsoever to do with Diablo. Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous as well are also super close to the original Baldur's Gate. All of those games obviously an evolution. Wrath of the Righteous being the most advanced with even implementation of 3D rotation. Those games are waaaay more like Baldur's Gate than BG3.

Originally posted by GoyslopConnoisseur88:

I honestly dont get the DOS comparison.

Originally posted by Dagon_Thrall:

What makes it DOS:3?

I'm presuming you have not played any of these games mentioned. Because it is very obvious. Games like Pillars of Eternity and the Owlcat Pathfinder games are very similar in design to the original Baldur's Gate, but very much an evolution. It doesn't matter what the story is. You all three of them have completely different stories that take place in completely different worlds. All of which are offer a similar style of real time combat design. Which the original Baldur's Gate innovated after opting not to make it turn based.

While I wouldn't say BG3 is DOS3, it is indeed basically an altered version of DOS turn based design. But also more advanced in many ways.

I enjoy and play turn based strat games like DOS2 and Wasteland 3. And am currently enjoying BG3. However, those other games mentioned above (Pillars of Eternity series and Pathfinder series) are by faar closer to the original Baldur's Gate in design. And great games in their own right. Especially Wrath of the Righteous which made much more advancements to the design.

When it comes to Baldur's Gate itself, I enjoy BG3 no less than anybody else. But it would easily have been much better using the system offered in Wrath of the Righteous, altered for 5e D&D. Which would also be much more genuine to the original. The current Larian design will always be more appealing to cultists of Larian and turn based games. But many users simply don't enjoy turn based at all. So while I do enjoy BG3 as it is, there are many users all over who are disappointed about how it turned out as a Larian game using a Larian design. And consider it a step backwards.

I played DOS 2.
Usually, when someone says 'This is DOS3!', it's because they're salty that garbage realtime with pause system was not used, and they proceed with the mental gymnastics to claim the game 'Is not Baldur's Gate at all' because they did not get their trash system.
I've literally had people tell me the only thing that makes a Baldur's Gate game is that crap money-grab RTwP system.

But, as I said:
It has nothing to do with the DOS lore.
It has nothing to do with the DOS world.
It has nothing to do with the DOS characters.
It has nothing to do with DOS Sourcerer magic.

It's Baldur's Gate lore (The Bhaalspawn saga took place in the past of BG3)
It's Baldur's Gate's world.
It's Baldur's Gate's characters (Minsc is coming back!).
It's D&D magic.
It's a D&D ruleset.

Because those people who are angry that it's not turnbased-lite can't argue with those facts.
They could make it an FPS or RTS and, as long as it fit those criteria above; it'd be a Baldur's Gate game.

[zero]

the true successor to bg is bg2, and the true successor to bg2 is bg3, simple.

not sure what is confusing you about it but like, its a pretty direct line there.

[☆ Akazu_]

This is all about opinions
PoE , brings its own lore, its own combat system , a full fletched story

The spiritual successors are all PoE DO:S and Pathfinder games , at least those are the games that had a good success, each game brings its own flavor

BG3 is not a spiritual successor , it situated in the world of Baldur's Gate based on Dungeons and Dragons with Larian Style. It is made over 20 years after the other games and ingame story is 100 years away from the events of BG2.

[Dagon_Thrall]

Originally posted by ☆ Akazu_:

This is all about opinions
PoE , brings its own lore, its own combat system , a full fletched story

The spiritual successors are all PoE DO:S and Pathfinder games , at least those are the games that had a good success, each game brings its own flavor

BG3 is not a spiritual successor , it situated in the world of Baldur's Gate based on Dungeons and Dragons with Larian Style. It is made over 20 years after the other games and ingame story is 100 years away from the events of BG2.

Correct. That makes BG3 a sequel, not a spiritual successor.

[ShadowBastard69]

Originally posted by cool skill:

I'm presuming you have not played any of these games mentioned.

i own every single one of those games dude lol. both pathfinders, both pillars games, DOS2, tyranny, both original Baldurs gates and both Icewind Dales, no longer have a copy of the first neverwinter nights but i own NWN2 on GOG.

*edit* forgot planescape, also own that and have beat several times

[Cy]

No, the Pathfinder games are the true successor to the old style DnD cRPGs.

[Darx]

for me pathfinder kingmaker and wrath was the true successor to bg2

[Alealexi]

Originally posted by Wobblyshrimp:

Originally posted by Alealexi:

Why is OP bringing old dead topics back? Also no. Neither PoE or PF are spiritual successors to BG. The storyline has nothing to do with the game. If you are talking about the gameplay then you are just looking for the same playstyle which sucked. So far we haven't even seen the full game to see if BG3 is a successor to the story but the dark urge origin story seems promising as it seems related to the bhaalspawn.

Sorry, I'm brand new here, didn't realize this was an already discussed topic. You think the game play of BG 1 & 2 sucked?

Yes. Loved the story but didn't like the gameplay.