is POE the true BG successor?

[Wobblyshrimp]

This game is very good but isn't it just DOS:3 with some DnD rules and flavor inserted? POE seems to capture the essence of BG more than this. All great games regardless, just wondering if anyone else was thinking the same.

[Wobblyshrimp]

Postat inițial de Alealexi:

Why is OP bringing old dead topics back? Also no. Neither PoE or PF are spiritual successors to BG. The storyline has nothing to do with the game. If you are talking about the gameplay then you are just looking for the same playstyle which sucked. So far we haven't even seen the full game to see if BG3 is a successor to the story but the dark urge origin story seems promising as it seems related to the bhaalspawn.

Sorry, I'm brand new here, didn't realize this was an already discussed topic. You think the game play of BG 1 & 2 sucked?

[fluong]

Postat inițial de Ragnar:

Well its like Wasteland 2 & 3 is the spiritual successor to Fallout 1 and 2. While fallout 3 and 4 is the "real" successor even though they changed the type of game it is. It kept the RPG system sort of.

I really like Baldurs Gate 1, 2, Fallout 1, 2, 3, 4, Wasteland 2, 3, DOS 1, 2, PoE 1, 2 and now BG3. So its all good :)

Well, considering Fallout 1 was the spiritual successor to Wasteland 1...

But yeah, Fallout 3 is a good example of moving a game franchise forward.

[Quillithe]

Postat inițial de Hobocop:

Postat inițial de EH!:

The overwritten aspect is a major flaw of those games. The second one had less verbose prattle, but a narrator who was so slow I installed a mod to shut her up - LOL.

Pillars has a bad habit of bombarding players with too many made-up fantasy words that gets real distracting despite, or perhaps because of, the mouseover definitions in dialogue.

They didn't even have that system in PoE1.

Also PoE 1 was terrible at thinking you care about their setting because they wrote a setting and people just start telling you about it.

It'd be like if at the beginning of BG1 characters just started narrating about the Time of Troubles and BG/Amn politics at you for awhile instead of running into these later on naturally so you have a reason to care.

PoE 2 did a much better job of that I feel

[darth.crevette]

I completely get what you mean. Completely different gameplay, completely different ruleset, completely different story line (from what we know so far at least; BG was about the Bhaalspawn, and the Bhaalspawn saga ended with ToB).

I'm sure BG3 will be a great game, but it still feels like Larian just added the "Baldur's Gate" name to it for brand recognition and nothing else.

[cool skill]

Postat inițial de breadman:

poe? as in path of exile? that's a hack and slash diablo clone, wtf does it have to do with this

You clearly have absolutely no clue wtf you're talking about. PoE is done similarly to original Baldur's gate. And nothing whatsoever to do with Diablo. Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous as well are also super close to the original Baldur's Gate. All of those games obviously an evolution. Wrath of the Righteous being the most advanced with even implementation of 3D rotation. Those games are waaaay more like Baldur's Gate than BG3.

Postat inițial de GoyslopConnoisseur88:

I honestly dont get the DOS comparison.

Postat inițial de Dagon_Thrall:

What makes it DOS:3?

I'm presuming you have not played any of these games mentioned. Because it is very obvious. Games like Pillars of Eternity and the Owlcat Pathfinder games are very similar in design to the original Baldur's Gate, but very much an evolution. It doesn't matter what the story is. You all three of them have completely different stories that take place in completely different worlds. All of which are offer a similar style of real time combat design. Which the original Baldur's Gate innovated after opting not to make it turn based.

While I wouldn't say BG3 is DOS3, it is indeed basically an altered version of DOS turn based design. But also more advanced in many ways.

I enjoy and play turn based strat games like DOS2 and Wasteland 3. And am currently enjoying BG3. However, those other games mentioned above (Pillars of Eternity series and Pathfinder series) are by faar closer to the original Baldur's Gate in design. And great games in their own right. Especially Wrath of the Righteous which made much more advancements to the design.

When it comes to Baldur's Gate itself, I enjoy BG3 no less than anybody else. But it would easily have been much better using the system offered in Wrath of the Righteous, altered for 5e D&D. Which would also be much more genuine to the original. The current Larian design will always be more appealing to cultists of Larian and turn based games. But many users simply don't enjoy turn based at all. So while I do enjoy BG3 as it is, there are many users all over who are disappointed about how it turned out as a Larian game using a Larian design. And consider it a step backwards.

[Wobblyshrimp]

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

Postat inițial de Hobocop:

Pillars has a bad habit of bombarding players with too many made-up fantasy words that gets real distracting despite, or perhaps because of, the mouseover definitions in dialogue.

They didn't even have that system in PoE1.

Also PoE 1 was terrible at thinking you care about their setting because they wrote a setting and people just start telling you about it.

It'd be like if at the beginning of BG1 characters just started narrating about the Time of Troubles and BG/Amn politics at you for awhile instead of running into these later on naturally so you have a reason to care.

PoE 2 did a much better job of that I feel

Yeah, POE1 was basically like reading a boring fantasy textbook as opposed to a strong fantasy novel. Nevertheless I still loved it. I dunno, I found POE to be very chill and comforting.

[Quacksalber]

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

Postat inițial de Hobocop:

Pillars has a bad habit of bombarding players with too many made-up fantasy words that gets real distracting despite, or perhaps because of, the mouseover definitions in dialogue.

They didn't even have that system in PoE1.

Also PoE 1 was terrible at thinking you care about their setting because they wrote a setting and people just start telling you about it.

It'd be like if at the beginning of BG1 characters just started narrating about the Time of Troubles and BG/Amn politics at you for awhile instead of running into these later on naturally so you have a reason to care.

PoE 2 did a much better job of that I feel

Are you talking about the npc's that go off on a soliloquy about who knows what? I read all of them on my first playthrough and was supremely baffled as to their purpose. Only later did I find out it was Kickstarter bloat, lol.

[Quacksalber]

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Postat inițial de breadman:

poe? as in path of exile? that's a hack and slash diablo clone, wtf does it have to do with this

You clearly have absolutely no clue wtf you're talking about. PoE is done similarly to original Baldur's gate. And nothing whatsoever to do with Diablo. Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous as well are also super close to the original Baldur's Gate. All of those games obviously an evolution. Wrath of the Righteous being the most advanced with even implementation of 3D rotation. Those games are waaaay more like Baldur's Gate than BG3.

POE also refers to Path of Exile, as the person wrote, which is like Diablo. As it's more well known, many will assume one is talking about that game when saying POE.

[Amogus]

Path of Exile is the true successor of balder gate i agree.

[Quillithe]

Postat inițial de EH!:

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

They didn't even have that system in PoE1.

Also PoE 1 was terrible at thinking you care about their setting because they wrote a setting and people just start telling you about it.

It'd be like if at the beginning of BG1 characters just started narrating about the Time of Troubles and BG/Amn politics at you for awhile instead of running into these later on naturally so you have a reason to care.

PoE 2 did a much better job of that I feel

Are you talking about the npc's that go off on a soliloquy about who knows what? I read all of them on my first playthrough and was supremely baffled as to their purpose. Only later did I find out it was Kickstarter bloat, lol.

They're also terrible, but just the way the game introduces the plot and setting.

You're almost immediately hiding from a biowac in ancient glanfathan ruins. You're just directly thrown into a ton of setting and new terms.

Contrast both BG 1 and 2. In both your motivations are immediate and personal and you slowly learn anything at all about the setting later because you care about it.

[breadman]

Postat inițial de cool skill:

You clearly have absolutely no clue wtf you're talking about. PoE is done similarly to original Baldur's gate. And nothing whatsoever to do with Diablo. Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous as well are also super close to the original Baldur's Gate. All of those games obviously an evolution. Wrath of the Righteous being the most advanced with even implementation of 3D rotation. Those games are waaaay more like Baldur's Gate than BG3.

dude the first thing that came to mind was path of exile because it's much more popular and still talked about, i know about pillars of eternity but that game kinda came and went so it's not the first thing that pops in your mind when you see poe

i already said okay when the op specified that they're talking about that poe and not this poe

i've been playing these rpgs since the 90s, you don't need to "educate" me on the differences

[cl656]

No. Call Of Duty is. Best RPG ever.

[breadman]

Postat inițial de cl656:

No. Call Of Duty is.

come to think of it a cod rpg with dnd rules would be kinda cool

[Necrosian]

Postat inițial de Hobocop:

Postat inițial de EH!:

The overwritten aspect is a major flaw of those games. The second one had less verbose prattle, but a narrator who was so slow I installed a mod to shut her up - LOL.

Pillars has a bad habit of bombarding players with too many made-up fantasy words and colloquialisms that gets real distracting despite, or perhaps because of, the mouseover definitions in dialogue.

Worst of that is using made up words for concepts/creatures that already exists.

"Fampyrs" who the ♥♥♥♥ thought renaming classic fantasy monsters was a good idea. It's not even a good name, they just changed first letter. /rant

[PandoraWolfCrow]

peoples just don't get it, when first of all an rpg makes sens by natural:
- most of it you will have discutions and Reading part.
but peaples who play rpg want think or play always just to go >>>> attack everthing who can sit or stand forward them XD
never of them read . they also do: actived button: Skip^skip skip skip
or battle . everything around them without read and understand from the Lore, the monsters , and hiddens lore and hidden quest or else.