Valor or Lore?

[Tomatokek]

Which bard and cleric combo would work better? A light cleric (ranged dps/heals) with valor bard (melee off tank / support) OR a life cleric (melee heals / tank) with a lore bard (ranged dps / better skill monkey). My other two party members are a warlock (fiend dps sniper) and fighter (Battlemaster dps tank) What do you guys think?

[DeadBeat61]

Read the title as Valor or Love. Always choose love.

[Tomatokek]

DeadBeat61 lähetti viestin:

Read the title as Valor or Love. Always choose love.

lol true

[Yojo0o]

Any cleric is generally going to be comfortable at or near the front line, regardless of their domain. I'd go Lore for more spellcasting options, though I sure wouldn't consider them to be "ranged DPS".

[Tomatokek]

Yojo0o lähetti viestin:

Any cleric is generally going to be comfortable at or near the front line, regardless of their domain. I'd go Lore for more spellcasting options, though I sure wouldn't consider them to be "ranged DPS".

True they are more of a support at ranged. I just hate how you miss out on bardic inspiration. Cutting words is good, just not as good. :/ I appreciate the feedback tho thank you.

[WeenerTuck813]

Lore is arguably best class in the game

[Tomatokek]

WeenerTuck813 lähetti viestin:

Lore is arguably best class in the game

Thanks for your input. I just realized slight of hand is only available to lore bards and because my bard is replacing the rogue, looks like im going lore! :)

[Yojo0o]

T⭕mat⭕kek lähetti viestin:

Yojo0o lähetti viestin:

Any cleric is generally going to be comfortable at or near the front line, regardless of their domain. I'd go Lore for more spellcasting options, though I sure wouldn't consider them to be "ranged DPS".

True they are more of a support at ranged. I just hate how you miss out on bardic inspiration. Cutting words is good, just not as good. :/ I appreciate the feedback tho thank you.

You have both options, you don't lose inspiration.

[Foolswalkin]

Can always go Lorelock with a 2 level dip for Eldritch Blast.

[Tomatokek]

Yojo0o lähetti viestin:

T⭕mat⭕kek lähetti viestin:

True they are more of a support at ranged. I just hate how you miss out on bardic inspiration. Cutting words is good, just not as good. :/ I appreciate the feedback tho thank you.

You have both options, you don't lose inspiration.

oh really? I dont know why I thought that. ok neat than lore bard with inspiration it is :)

[Yojo0o]

T⭕mat⭕kek lähetti viestin:

Yojo0o lähetti viestin:

You have both options, you don't lose inspiration.

oh really? I dont know why I thought that. ok neat than lore bard with inspiration it is :)

Well, to be clear, Valor bards have "combat inspiration" with more flexibility on what you can roll it for. But all bards get basic inspiration.

[Tomatokek]

Foolswalkin lähetti viestin:

Can always go Lorelock with a 2 level dip for Eldritch Blast.

I honestly was originally going to main Lock, but realized Bard would make a better main just for out of combat purposes, however I really still like Lock and would prefer to have a full lock (Wyll) in my party that can benefit all of its abilities from my bards short rest. Also their summons are cool.

[Tomatokek]

Yojo0o lähetti viestin:

T⭕mat⭕kek lähetti viestin:

oh really? I dont know why I thought that. ok neat than lore bard with inspiration it is :)

Well, to be clear, Valor bards have "combat inspiration" with more flexibility on what you can roll it for. But all bards get basic inspiration.

Yeah I would say having a lore bard is worth more to me than that bonus even though it is nice.

[[Heretic]Rivga]

T⭕mat⭕kek lähetti viestin:

Which bard and cleric combo would work better? A light cleric (ranged dps/heals) with valor bard (melee off tank / support) OR a life cleric (melee heals / tank) with a lore bard (ranged dps / better skill monkey). My other two party members are a warlock (fiend dps sniper) and fighter (Battlemaster dps tank) What do you guys think?

I am not sure what you are trying to achieve with the Cleric Bard Combo - A cleric 12 levels is better at Ranged dps/heals/Off tank/Support than a Cleric/Bard. A Bard 12 levels is also better than the Multiclass,

Bard is a great class and so is Cleric but mashing them together will probably end in a lesser character. DnD 5e seems to be a balanced game, you are not going to get a character that can do everying, (Ranged DPS/Heals/Off tank/support) - if you could do all those roles well in a DnD party on table top, then no one else need both playing. And BG3 is essentially that TT experience
Pick a lane one or two things, then build a character accordingly.

I am talking in terms of optimisation - you may be talking in terms of fun, in which case what I am saying is irrelevant. I don't want to be the "your having fun wrong" guy.

[Edstyles]

Must it be a life cleric ? :p also are we talking multiclass ?

[Foolswalkin]

HereticRivga lähetti viestin:

. DnD 5e seems to be a balanced game, you are not going to get a character that can do everying, (Ranged DPS/Heals/Off tank/support) - if you could do all those roles well in a DnD party on table top, then no one else need both playing. And BG3 is essentially that TT experience
Pick a lane one or two things, then build a character accordingly.

I am talking in terms of optimisation - you may be talking in terms of fun, in which case what I am saying is irrelevant. I don't want to be the "your having fun wrong" guy.

I mean, Pallock can do all those specific jobs with 7 Paladin 5 warlock. But not until character level 9 or so.

And there other jobs - CC, melee DPS - and other competencies - Bard has different support with inspiration than Paladin does with auras. No one will get literally all of them, but Bard is a great chassis for being good at a bunch of them.