Can a Warlock in pact with The Fiend be good?

[Arani]

I don't have experience in playing warlocks. But I wanted to make one for BG3, and a 100% good one besides. But the pact with the Fiend is by far the most appealing option of the three available. Except for the fact that The Fiend is as evil as can get. If it were PnP I could think of any number of reasons and random little stories for how it's possible for a Warlock of all things to be good, even when in pact with The Fiend. But sometimes, lore comes first.

So how is it in practice in PnP? More importantly, how will it be for BG3? Is there some kind of a lore reason for why no matter what you do, The Fiend will always corrupt you, your actions, your friends?

Otherwise I could simply say my character had a different past, a traumatic event, was coerced or forced into the pact to protect someone close to her, with no intentions of actually supporting anything evil. In RP terms this would also work since I plan to take The Dark Urge and only 2 levels of Warlock, rest going on Sorc. So the Warlock skills would sort of become like a previous career choice, while the sorceries would represent a new path forward.

[Gaius]

Frankly there's no reason to NOT be good. If anythying this adds a bit of depth to the character if done right - conflict and how to deal with coercion and/or being perceived as evil while trying your best are more interesting than being prince charming imho.

[MeatGolem]

I would imagine if pacts with evil entities granted power, there would be a whole range of reasons why someone would do it. Some bad, some gray, some good, all probably misguided.

Can you come up with a story as to why a person could be good even after making a pact with a fiend? Sure. Fiction is whatever you want it to be.

[Mister Inadequate]

Originally posted by Arani:

I don't have experience in playing warlocks. But I wanted to make one for BG3, and a 100% good one besides. But the pact with the Fiend is by far the most appealing option of the three available. Except for the fact that The Fiend is as evil as can get. If it were PnP I could think of any number of reasons and random little stories for how it's possible for a Warlock of all things to be good, even when in pact with The Fiend. But sometimes, lore comes first.

So how is it in practice in PnP? More importantly, how will it be for BG3? Is there some kind of a lore reason for why no matter what you do, The Fiend will always corrupt you, your actions, your friends?

Otherwise I could simply say my character had a different past, a traumatic event, was coerced or forced into the pact to protect someone close to her, with no intentions of actually supporting anything evil. In RP terms this would also work since I plan to take The Dark Urge and only 2 levels of Warlock, rest going on Sorc. So the Warlock skills would sort of become like a previous career choice, while the sorceries would represent a new path forward.

Ok Dark Urge with Warlock undertones. If not Evil then very conflicted, just my opinion.

[ExcaliburV]

Sure. You could say your character was manipulated to accept the pact and is reluctantly trying to use their powers for good. You could say your character is trying to beat the devil at their own game, outmanipulating a fiend so you could get the power to save others. Probably a bunch of other angles I can't think of at the moment, too.

[DeadBeat61]

But can you sleep with the fiend tho

[Yojo0o]

In tabletop, it depends on the nature of the pact, so it'll vary. Hard to say any rule of thumb. You might have a patron actively demanding the sacrifice and corruption of innocent souls, or you might have a patron content to collect your soul upon death in exchange for power and otherwise uninterested in how you wield that power. We will see how BG3 handles it.

[Arani]

Thanks, this is what I feel like as well. I assume some NPC's will be extra suspicious of her because of the profession however. At the very least playing a good Drow Warlock with a pact with the Fiend, with The Dark Urge origin, will make for some very interesting roleplay. Considering she checks just about every single box of what people would consider evil. Just the way I like it. :>

[MeatGolem]

I'm sure a lot of "good" aligned warlocks would just hide their power or at least the nature of it. People don't know Wyll as a warlock, just a hero.

[DeadBeat61]

You might already be aware, but an FYI if not. As the Dark Urge you don't simply have choices of whether or not you want to give in and murder everything or resist. Every time you try to resist you have to pass a dice roll, which Lurrrian claims will grow progressively more difficult the more times you deny it. So that would theoretically make being 100% good exceptionally more difficult.

[Agent Chieftain]

Depends what your patron wants from you, I guess. If your patron says sacrifice babies, there's no real way to swing that into a good alignment.

If your patron just requires you to kill a certain number of people, perhaps for the purpose of soul collection, you could simply satisfy the condition by targeting evil people.

[MeatGolem]

Sometimes intent and actions are not aligned. It could very well absolutely traumatizing for the DU to do the things they are doing even while being compelled to do them. But yeah, anyone seeing the DU do what the DU does is definitely not going to think they are a super good person. Assuming they live to tell about it. :D

[Foolswalkin]

That’s weird, because Fextralife says you always have a choice w DU.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

That’s weird, because Fextralife says you always have a choice w DU.

Wouldn't be the first time fextralife fumbled the ball on a Larian game.

[DeadBeat61]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

That’s weird, because Fextralife says you always have a choice w DU.

Honestly all we have at this point is what people who have played it tell us, so nothing is guaranteed until we have it in our hands. But I got the above info from this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y8DxRuzzEs

[MeatGolem]

That was an excellent watch. Thanks! This makes me even more excited for the DU path. haha