Is Paladin-6 Warlock-6 a good spread?

[Zeon]

Was thinking of going (dark urge) vengeance or oathbreaker pally with fiend patron & pact of the blade. With the recent changes to PotB is this a decent build or would I be better suited trying something else?

Is Warlock 5-6 worth the two lvl 3 spell slots & innvocations or is ASI better?
It would let me throw fireballs...

Thoughts?

[[Heretic]Rivga]

You will lose out on a ASI/Feat but it is a solid build.

[Agent Chieftain]

As far as I know, there really isn't a good reason to take Warlock past 4 or 5 on a split.

5 gets you level 3 spells like Fireball. 4 gets you a third feat.

I think I also heard that Paladin gets something good at level 7 or 8.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, Warlock 5 also gets you new Eldritch invocations.

[Gaius]

I like it, at least in theory. Trully capable of all range combat. Like Rivga said, you'll lose 1 ASI, but this will happen with every multiplass where you want the lv5 bonuses from both classes.

[Recjawjind]

Ancients pally 7 is too good not to grab. One of the most powerful features in 5e.

[Foolswalkin]

Plus 7 Pally gets you Oath upgrade. Ancients / Feylock is easy RP and Ancients is very strong at 7.

[Zeon]

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

As far as I know, there really isn't a good reason to take Warlock past 4 or 5 on a split.

5 gets you level 3 spells like Fireball. 4 gets you a third feat.

I think I also heard that Paladin gets something good at level 7 or 8.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, Warlock 5 also gets you new Eldritch invocations.

I'm hesitant to go higher than 6 on paladin because oathbreakers 7th level feature "aura of hate" will actually buff enemy undead & fiends which isn't really helpful & the oath system seems to be very sensitive & prone to hurt feelings.

[Foolswalkin]

They’ve houseruled a ton of stuff. I’d give a 50-50 shot of them removing the enemy buff on oathbreaker.

[Agent Chieftain]

Originally posted by Zeon:

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

As far as I know, there really isn't a good reason to take Warlock past 4 or 5 on a split.

5 gets you level 3 spells like Fireball. 4 gets you a third feat.

I think I also heard that Paladin gets something good at level 7 or 8.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, Warlock 5 also gets you new Eldritch invocations.

I'm hesitant to go higher than 6 on paladin because oathbreakers 7th level feature "aura of hate" will actually buff enemy undead & fiends which isn't really helpful & the oath system seems to be very sensitive & prone to hurt feelings.

Doesn't aura of hate also buff you by an equal amount?

Plus, you have control undead. So you're also buffing a potential bonus ally.

[Gaius]

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

As far as I know, there really isn't a good reason to take Warlock past 4 or 5 on a split.

5 gets you level 3 spells like Fireball. 4 gets you a third feat.

I think I also heard that Paladin gets something good at level 7 or 8.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, Warlock 5 also gets you new Eldritch invocations.

Warlock 5 also gives you 2 eldritcht blasts per turn, and that can be really huge if case you have 2 targets to throw off cliffs, move away so weak classes can run, etc.

[BigAlzBub]

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

As far as I know, there really isn't a good reason to take Warlock past 4 or 5 on a split.

5 gets you level 3 spells like Fireball. 4 gets you a third feat.

I think I also heard that Paladin gets something good at level 7 or 8.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, Warlock 5 also gets you new Eldritch invocations.

Depends on the Oath. At level 7...
Oath of the Ancients give allies within 10 feet resistance to spell damage
Oath of Devotion makes allies within 10 feet immune to charm
Oath of Vengeance allows you to move after a foe who provokes an attack of opportunity
Oathbreaker Buffs the damage undead deal within 10 feet of you.

So Ancients is really nice, Devotion is...a bit meh, but can situationally be extremely useful, Vengeance is very Meh, Oathbreaker can be good if you have a way to have a few undead around, but it can be a double edged sword, because the Aura also buffs hostile undead.

At 8th level you get an Attribute increase or feat, which is obviously good.

[Zeon]

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

Doesn't aura of hate also buff you by an equal amount? Most likely greater, as you'll be pumping Charisma.

Aura of hate rules:
"Starting at 7th level you, as well any fiends and undead within 10 feet of you, gain a bonus to melee weapon damage rolls equal to your Charisma modifier"

I assume its intention is that you become a semi necromancer HOWEVER you can only have one undead minion at a time. So you just end up getting dumpstered by enemies faster.

[dolby]

we don't really know how everthing will work but yeah 7 Ancients for 5/6Devotion... again we have to see what they did with muticlassing and warlock...

[dolby]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

As far as I know, there really isn't a good reason to take Warlock past 4 or 5 on a split.

5 gets you level 3 spells like Fireball. 4 gets you a third feat.

I think I also heard that Paladin gets something good at level 7 or 8.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, Warlock 5 also gets you new Eldritch invocations.

Warlock 5 also gives you 2 eldritcht blasts per turn, and that can be really huge if case you have 2 targets to throw off cliffs, move away so weak classes can run, etc.

that's linked to character cos cantrips scale with that instead of class so we should get those two blasts at level5.. even if you only take 1 level dip in warlock.

[Agent Chieftain]

Originally posted by Zeon:

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

Doesn't aura of hate also buff you by an equal amount? Most likely greater, as you'll be pumping Charisma.

Aura of hate rules:
"Starting at 7th level you, as well any fiends and undead within 10 feet of you, gain a bonus to melee weapon damage rolls equal to your Charisma modifier"

I assume its intention is that you become a semi necromancer HOWEVER you can only have one undead minion at a time. So you just end up getting dumpstered by enemies faster.

Yeah, I realized that it didn't say that only you received the extra boost from the Charisma modifier. You'd also be left wide open to fiends too.

That said, the radius is only 10 feet, so you'd have to be within melee walking distance for it to really be a problem.

If you come up against undead or fiends, just stay back and adopt a more caster role with Eldritch Blast and your level 3 spells. If it's undead specifically, that's an extra team member that you can put in front to keep the others more than 10 feet away from you. Eldritch Blast also pushes them back further.

And against every other enemy in the game, you'd have pretty decent advantage.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

As far as I know, there really isn't a good reason to take Warlock past 4 or 5 on a split.

5 gets you level 3 spells like Fireball. 4 gets you a third feat.

I think I also heard that Paladin gets something good at level 7 or 8.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, Warlock 5 also gets you new Eldritch invocations.

Warlock 5 also gives you 2 eldritcht blasts per turn, and that can be really huge if case you have 2 targets to throw off cliffs, move away so weak classes can run, etc.

Cantrips scale with total level, not class level.