why didnt bioware make this ?

[I'm the walrus]

They made the original , what happened ?
does this game remain faithful to the original ?

[Friends with Benedicts]

Originally posted by I'm the walrus:

Originally posted by breadman:

bioware is trash

not really, the are capable of making great games its ea that are at fault, i say this a bioware fan

the people that made bg1 barely were the same people that touched sw kotor, which in turn i believe a total of 0 people of that team are actually at bioware. If anything, the company is a husk of the former self. No reason getting attached to brands.

Always support new IP and indies.

[Jinzo]

Originally posted by I'm the walrus:

Originally posted by breadman:

bioware is trash

not really, the are capable of making great games its ea that are at fault, i say this a bioware fan

Lol you aren't a Bioware fan if you think its EA's fault they aren't the same company that made Kotor, BG2, Mass Effect, Origins etc.

ALL the talent has left and they don't care about writing good games anymore, they care about DEI and objectifying camera angles.

[Friends with Benedicts]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝Link⎠⎞:

Bioware did not make BG1 and 2. Black Isle studios did, who later, after being laid off by Interplay, formed Obsidian Entertainment.

if this is true it explains a lot.

[DeadBeat61]

Bioware used to be comprised of superior humans. Now their writers are all tieflings without +20 weight capacity.

[LinkToReality.ttv]

Originally posted by Friends with Benedicts:

Originally posted by ⎛⎝Link⎠⎞:

Bioware did not make BG1 and 2. Black Isle studios did, who later, after being laid off by Interplay, formed Obsidian Entertainment.

if this is true it explains a lot.

Obsidian Entertainment, Inc. is an American video game developer based in Irvine, California. It was founded in June 2003, shortly before the closure of Black Isle Studios, by ex-Black Isle employees Feargus Urquhart, Chris Avellone, Chris Parker, Darren Monahan, and Chris Jones.

I would assume some of the others went on to other studios though, but considering the games Obsidian has been part of making, like Pillars of Eternity, to me makes a good connection back to the days of the original Baldur's Gate games.

[A Disembodied Intelligence]

Originally posted by Friends with Benedicts:

Originally posted by ⎛⎝Link⎠⎞:

Bioware did not make BG1 and 2. Black Isle studios did, who later, after being laid off by Interplay, formed Obsidian Entertainment.

if this is true it explains a lot.

Wiki says this about Black Isle:
"They achieved success with the Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate series of role-playing video games, though they only published the Baldur's Gate series."

And I know for a fact that at least Mark Darrah worked on the Baldur's Gate games and he was Bioware back in the day (I think he's been contracted to help out with DA:4 now too which hopefully bodes well for DA:4, though I don't think he's officially Bioware anymore).

edit - Though I wouldn't be surprised if Black Isle had a bigger hand in it all than the Wiki says.

[Friends with Benedicts]

Hell man Obsidians worst games are a 6/10. Just from the top of my mind, the BGs you mentioned, neverwinter nights, poe 1 and 2, tyranny, outer worlds, south park, new vegas, kotor 2, wasteland... Guys can keep the pace.

Although Im afraid avowed might flop a little. I think they scaled back the scope (which is good, quality over quantity), but that might be underwhelming for public expectations... Obsidian is always smaller in scope with a lot fo the games, tyranny is a great example. I think tyranny is by far one of the best crpgs Ive played due to its small scope of the main story and their philosophies, but by good do you have choice in that small scope.

Anyway, a little offtopic but obsidian games have been amazing for two decades now

[LinkToReality.ttv]

Originally posted by The Sarah:

Originally posted by Friends with Benedicts:

if this is true it explains a lot.

Wiki says this about Black Isle:
"They achieved success with the Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate series of role-playing video games, though they only published the Baldur's Gate series."

And I know for a fact that at least Mark Darrah worked on the Baldur's Gate games and he was Bioware back in the day (I think he's been contracted to help out with DA:4 now too which hopefully bodes well for DA:4, though I don't think he's officially Bioware anymore).

Ok, looked further into it, you're right, Bioware was the developers and Black Isle was the publishers of the Baldurs gate games.

I just so clearly remember the Black Isles logo from back when I played BG1.

[A Disembodied Intelligence]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝Link⎠⎞:

Originally posted by The Sarah:

Wiki says this about Black Isle:
"They achieved success with the Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate series of role-playing video games, though they only published the Baldur's Gate series."

And I know for a fact that at least Mark Darrah worked on the Baldur's Gate games and he was Bioware back in the day (I think he's been contracted to help out with DA:4 now too which hopefully bodes well for DA:4, though I don't think he's officially Bioware anymore).

Ok, looked further into it, you're right, Bioware was the developers and Black Isle was the publishers of the Baldurs gate games.

I just so clearly remember the Black Isles logo from back when I played BG1.

It's the logo that comes to my mind when I think back on it too.
Definitely seems to be Bioware who did the majority (if not all) of the developer work though.

Mark Darrah has a cool series of videos on his youtube channel where he talks about his work on each of games he worked in when at Bioware if you're into that kind of devtalk stuff (I think it's neat), it's under the playlist "Memories and Lessons" on his channel "Mark Darrah on Games".

[Friends with Benedicts]

if anything these just prove games are made by people and teams, not brands.

It doesnt matter if bioware or obsidian develop a game, what really matters is how talent is being used, trained and nurtured in each company. If anything, Larian's success is a result of a good chunk of talented people and potential talents that were scouted and taught, along with good and healthy management of both human and executive resources. Obsidian can also keep with good games even with some staff leaving due to a healthy cycle of employees, healthy enough for new ones to learn with the old ones and keep the boat afloat instead of a destructive approach.

[DDkiki]

I don't think modern Bioware can make games that are not absolutely terrible.

[Dionysos]

Our days bioware is bad ... honestly. They hadnt made a more then mediocre game since ME3. Larian on the other hand ... they hit it on point! Thank god BG was given to them! They made a real rpg3 out of it imo! :D

[Runic Tunic]

Originally posted by I'm the walrus:

They made the original , what happened ?
does this game remain faithful to the original ?

WoTC wouldn't let anyone make the sequel despite many attempts to get the IP. Bioware, as well as other companies, didn't meet WotC expectations (many dropped in quality since then too).

Larian was denied it as well with their first attempt and only earned it after the success of DOS2. BG3 follows loosely after the other two, but is not a direct continuation. The bhaalspawn saga is mostly finished so BG3 is telling a different story. But again there's references and implications to the previous game's events.

[lefty1117]

Originally posted by puksone:

Not really faithful to the original. It's more like a Solasta + Divinity 2 mix.

Not a bad thing, you've named two of my favorite RPGs of the last 5 years! It will have some callbacks to the original with some original characters returning and references to previous events, but gameplay wise it will be pretty different, starting with the different D&D ruleset.

[DDkiki]

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Originally posted by I'm the walrus:

They made the original , what happened ?
does this game remain faithful to the original ?

WoTC wouldn't let anyone make the sequel despite many attempts to get the IP. Bioware, as well as other companies, didn't meet WotC expectations (many dropped in quality since then too).

Larian was denied it as well with their first attempt and only earned it after the success of DOS2. BG3 follows loosely after the other two, but is not a direct continuation. The bhaalspawn saga is mostly finished so BG3 is telling a different story. But again there's references and implications to the previous game's events.

Im just happy its not Beamdog lol, SoD was a terrible on all aspects and their additions in EE to BG1-2 were...unwelcome. How they butchered IWD is just disgusting.