Guardian of Faith + Spirit Guardians

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

If you hadn't heard, Larian just revealed (via Twatter) the Guardian of Faith spell.

If you aren't familiar with it, it's a level 4 Conjuration spell that essentially creates a stationary melee turret that deals radiant damage (Dex save for 1/2). It deals a fixed 60 dmg (20/10 at a time) before disappearing, lasts for 8 hours ('all day' in BG3 terms) and can deal it's damage every turn. The RAW version states a hostile creature has to move within range (10 ft) to activate it, so presumably a creature sitting very still within it's range cannot get hit, but we'll see how Larian handles this.

Now for the juicy bits: it doesn't require concentration, so you can cast this as many times as you have 4th level spell slots (and a Sorcleric could create more 4th level slots), and you can combine it with other concentration based spells, such as Spirit Guardians and Bless.

A-Team incoming!

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

引用自 BigAlzBub：

Fireball does 8d6 damage not 6d6, which on average is 28.

Is it 8d6?

Doesn't change much though.

What you don't seem to be grasping here is that the Guardian deals guaranteed damage, much like Magic Missile (better, as MM only gets a single roll).

60 damage is equivalent to 11d10 (5.5 x 11 = 60.5) on average, which is still better than Fireball's 8d6 unless the Fireball hits enough targets and rolls better than average on enough of them and doesn't waste too much on overkill.

Fireball can potentially deal more damage (48 x however many targets you can hit), but Guardian of Faith is always going to deal 60 damage regardless. It's consistent and reliable, always dealing the equivalent of an average roll on 11d10.

It's probably not as useful for mopping up horde type creatures with low hp, but by the time you get this spell you're probably not fighting those anyway.

[BigAlzBub]

The one and only good thing about Guardian of Faith is that it ally friendly, where as Fireball or Glyph (inherently) are not.
It is only guaranteed to do the 60 points of damage if you can force someone to move into it, and then move each turn, which is tricky unless you want to provoke attacks of opportunity each round. a rogue would be decent at it because of cunning action (disengage) class feature, as would anyone with mobility, but for other people the attacks of opportunity just aren't worth it, unless you have something like fire shield up and want people to hit you.

[dolby]

引用自 BigAlzBub：

The one and only good thing about Guardian of Faith is that it ally friendly, where as Fireball or Glyph (inherently) are not.
It is only guaranteed to do the 60 points of damage if you can force someone to move into it, and then move each turn, which is tricky unless you want to provoke attacks of opportunity each round. a rogue would be decent at it because of cunning action (disengage) class feature, as would anyone with mobility, but for other people the attacks of opportunity just aren't worth it, unless you have something like fire shield up and want people to hit you.

you just shove/push them backout and they run back in should work fine. Same as we do now with clould of daggers - thorn whip, dritch blast ect.. and me knowing larian they forgot about the 60 damage limit.


But i have no clue what he's talking about with guaranteed damage cos it works nothing like magice missle, it has a save check same way as any other spell lol... the only thing that is diffrent is that it doesn't need to roll for damage but that can be a good and a bad thing so ... if it was doing different damage type based on deity now that would be a diffrent story.

[BigAlzBub]

It rather looks like Larian have significantly altered this spell, if you look on the video here is what the spells says :-

Guardians of Faith
4th level Conjuration

Call forth a divine Guardian which attacks nearby enemies.

9m !0 turns

Action 4th level spell slot

Doesn't say anything about a hit point limit, or needing to move within it's range. That isn't to say that these things aren't there, it could be but if it is it is hidden in the specifics where it says attacks.