Can i save a certain deep gnome?

[Artemis]

Meerna gets punted into lava if I save Nere but I presume she dies with him if I skip time. Is this unavoidable?

[Oni]

Yeah not having time to program more than one possible outcome is at least somewhat understandable, but your character being forced to have the one reaction to it is just lazy and immersion breaking as hell.

[Moonbane]

Eh, its realistic, you cant win everything.

[Oni]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Eh, its realistic, you cant win everything.

I'd be fine with that tbh, but the problem here is it's extremely preventable in this case and your character just smirks that it happened no matter what you do. lol

[THEFIRESTARTER73]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Eh, its realistic, you cant win everything.

If they wanted to show you cant win everytime they could have had him like knife her quickly after youve antagonized him or something like that not just watch him slowly and obviously push her off a cliff without lifting a finger. No one needed to watch him murder someone to prove he was evil the whole setup of that encounter is this guy is a prick we should dig him out kill him and give his head to the mushroom man i imagine unless your being intentionally evil no one is siding with this guy. And the stupid bethesda face your character has, arms folded looking dopey as after watching someone you were trying to save get murdered is just so stupid especially when its a DnD game bad facial expressions and reactions are just frustrating to see.

[Lora Grim]

Originally posted by Oni:

I'd be fine with that tbh, but the problem here is it's extremely preventable in this case and your character just smirks that it happened no matter what you do. lol

Yup. This was one of the most infuriating part in the entire game for me.
Just stood there, arms folded, completely unphased by this dude casually murdering someone, despite having obvious moral qualms with such a thing.

If he just busted through the rubble swinging and pushed her in the lava, then okay.. sure.. but no.. he was perfectly calm, collected.. and just dunks this gnome in the lava while we stand there doing absolutely nothing. Not even slightly looking outraged or apalled.

Ugh.. There are a lot of things that need improvement and perhaps this is a minor "issue".. but it's definitely one i would add to the bucket list of "things to improve/change".

[Defrost40kSMAH]

Well, shes alive! But she stuck and her bro cries he died.

Way to do:
1. You need to kill nero without cleaning the rubble.
2. Position near mythril nww of forge portal, carefuly build tall staircase of boxes (long ones rather good tetris.mp3, flea-like jumping character advised) until you can mystystep to piece of temple bridge.
3. Nero, this arrow of humanoid slaying have your name on it.
4. Gnome in question is alive, complaining anout you looting other gnome corpse, nonchatty, considered dead by magma by her brother.

there is no dialogue with Nero for "how the hell did you get here"

[Ashe]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Eh, its realistic, you cant win everything.

This is the least realistic 'it is what it is' situation though. Characters have EVERY opportunity to prevent it :

Nere has just spent hours in a chamber full of poision and slowing dying.

Nere's allies can be fought beforehand to make it a 1v4 fight.

Nere can be ambushed before he even leaves his chamber and 'surprised' as a result.

The player has time to intervene when he's scolding Meerna in the cutscene.

Heck, her BROTHER should intervene too if he's still alive.

It requires a stupid suspension of disbelief to think this is just an unwinnable scenario and not a plot hole.

You can kill him before he even sees lava and still the game says he killed her.

[Nihrahk]

No way to save her, she's scripted to die. I have tried to do it before, and even used a mod that made me stupidly OP since it gave me some late game spells. Threw a few of those on him and Meerna just gets erased from existence.

Although I do find it strange that it's not possible to save her. You can save a random that usually turned into spider food in the goblin camp. I dare anyone to try to save this dude without aggroing the whole camp, because the goblins around Dror Ragzlin can see through walls and have eyes on the back of their heads.

[Oni]

Yeah I had to save scum like a mfer to save that spider guy, and I didn't even really mind if he died.
Cute slave girl getting burned alive in lava is way higher priority hero business. Lol

[Cyalit]

Originally posted by Defrost40kSMAH:

Well, shes alive! But she stuck and her bro cries he died.

Way to do:
1. You need to kill nero without cleaning the rubble.
2. Position near mythril nww of forge portal, carefuly build tall staircase of boxes (long ones rather good tetris.mp3, flea-like jumping character advised) until you can mystystep to piece of temple bridge.
3. Nero, this arrow of humanoid slaying have your name on it.
4. Gnome in question is alive, complaining anout you looting other gnome corpse, nonchatty, considered dead by magma by her brother.

there is no dialogue with Nero for "how the hell did you get here"

That's probably the best outcome we can get here.
In case someones interested, here are some screenshots of this: https://imgur.com/a/x8FqTlJ

[Nudal]

Originally posted by Defrost40kSMAH:

Well, shes alive! But she stuck and her bro cries he died.

Way to do:
1. You need to kill nero without cleaning the rubble.
2. Position near mythril nww of forge portal, carefuly build tall staircase of boxes (long ones rather good tetris.mp3, flea-like jumping character advised) until you can mystystep to piece of temple bridge.
3. Nero, this arrow of humanoid slaying have your name on it.
4. Gnome in question is alive, complaining anout you looting other gnome corpse, nonchatty, considered dead by magma by her brother.

there is no dialogue with Nero for "how the hell did you get here"

Can confirm. I stacked crap and misty-stepped to the back door, Nere +2 are all non-verbal prior to the passage being cleared. Murdering Nere here and then clearing the blockage amounts to a hill of beans, but Meerna does live. She's mute though, and her brother apparently can't handle this.

I even improvised weapon dragged Meerna over and plopped her in front of Welso, and he just keeps crying about how his dead sister is dead, despite staring directly into her definitely alive face less than 2 feet away. Meerna of course remains silent, as even she cannot believe she is alive.

https://i.imgur.com/YLXAyhX.png

[Lora Grim]

Originally posted by Oni:

I'd be fine with that tbh, but the problem here is it's extremely preventable in this case and your character just smirks that it happened no matter what you do. lol

They really need to patch this.

This was one of the worst moments in the entire game for me.
A person who is my enemy just killed somebody i was trying to save and my character just calmly stands there, arms folded, smiling pleasantly.

It is stupid. Nothing took me out of the game as much as that did.
That scene NEEDS to be re-done.

[eileen_dallahan]

As far as I know you can interrupt the scene and attack him

[AsianGirlLover]

Kill the Dwarves, then blast open the debris

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by eileen_dallahan:

As far as I know you can interrupt the scene and attack him

You could interrupt the scene before as well.