Haste is broken

[Belial]

I'm sure it's been brought up a lot of times, but I wonder why Larian chose not to tune Haste spell to 5e rules, right now its a little over the top. Allowing 2nd spell for spellcasters and multiattacks for martial classes is enough to make even the deadliest encounters trivial. It's already extremely powerful in 5e, but in BG3 its absurdly broken. I'm not sure how to bring this to Larian attention, but I think they should have seen how it works during EA and decided to not change it.

[ACS36]

Yeah, it is pretty busted. The best solution right now is simply don't use haste. If you want more challenging combat. The game economy is broken as well.

Potions, Scrolls, Magical items are every where. Rations are every where. Gold is every where. The entire game economy makes the game incredibly easy unless you impose rules on yourself. You don't even need to steal or kill everyone to be swimming in resources.

Tactician is a complete joke because players has infinite resources at their disposal.

[ash0787]

What happens if you use it on a Sorc ( who have the ability to doublecast a spell anyway ) - can you cast 4 spells per round ? also does Haste do the same thing as potion of speed ? whats Momentum and Lightning Charges ? I found some items that give those things under specific conditions, I don't really understand these systems.

[Kyutaru]

You think that's broken? My Fighter can cast Mirror Image on himself from a scroll. Just play the game, there's a lot of things you can do that are busted. Heavy armor has no STR requirements so you can give your Wizard heavy armor proficiency and roll around with high AC even with 8 STR.

[Impos]

there is button in laucner submit a feedback(top midle), there is form for bug reports or feedback go try it.

[Belial]

Originally posted by ACS36:

Yeah, it is pretty busted. The best solution right now is simply don't use haste. If you want more challenging combat. The game economy is broken as well.

Potions, Scrolls, Magical items are every where. Rations are every where. Gold is every where. The entire game economy makes the game incredibly easy unless you impose rules on yourself. You don't even need to steal or kill everyone to be swimming in resources.

Tactician is a complete joke because players has infinite resources at their disposal.

Well, I hope mods will tune the difficulty to the more hardcore players tastes outthere, but I think it's fair to request balancing some of the broken stuff to 5e level. But anyway, I hope mods will also fix this, I dont want to give up haste at all, but this is really out of hand esp at later levels.

[Belial]

Originally posted by Impos:

there is button in laucner submit a feedback(top midle), there is form for bug reports or feedback go try it.

thx mate!

[mrbiggest]

Yes it’s broken. Yes too many resources. Turn off saving mid-combat. Too many health potions. Razor storm spell is OP and they run right into it.

Need to start a thread just about how to tune Tactician as it’s not very fun right now and I’m not even trying. Heck, I don’t even understand any 5e rules or get the caster differences and it’s still a joke.

[Kowloon Goreksson]

Originally posted by gh0stwizard:

Right, the haste should speed up to 0.000000000001%. And event after that tryhards will tell that it's overpowered. May be it's better to add additional level of difficulty, where even under haste you will die in 1 turn? You know not everyone loves battles, some come to watch a movie. And no, YT, Twitch would not help in this case, because there are characters, personal taste, etc.

It's easier to just not use overpowerd spells like haste than it is to create an entire new difficulty that punishes you for not using haste. Also easier to just balance haste. It's obvious that it shouldn't last 10 turns.

Even if you remove EVERYTHING outside of the extra action, it's still gamebreaking because of how action economy is in bg3 and because it only costs a lv 3 slot. Upcasting it should give the other benefits perhaps.

On the other hand, ff they removed the extra action and just allowed 2x movement speed, +2AC, dexterity advantage, it would still be a good spell but not gamebreaking and super necessary if they ever did make a super hard mode.

[Moonbane]

Its not an mmo, its not going to be balanced. DnD have always been inherently going op at its core.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

I think there's a mod to bring things more in line with 5e.