No party formations?

[Calan]

This is a staple of nearly every crpg in the last decade or two, you know so you dont start encounters with your squishies in the very front to get bum-rushed and double tapped by enemies that seem to get a ♥♥♥♥ ton of actions a turn.

Why are so many QoL and player choices missing from this game?

[Friends with Benedicts]

Usually I control all four separated when I need them to. But yeah, formations would be nice indeed. I havent given much thought on why it is missing...

[2LambBuna]

you dont need them with it been turn based, dont walk around dungeons controlling a squishy. before you enter a room separate your party and have the beefiest character stood near the door with softer characters off to the side or even better up high, have another beefyish character with high inititive or a stealthy character go in and pull the monsters too you with a big surprise attack then dash back behind the door way. POSITION FIRST THEN BRING THE FIGHT TO YOU. using terrain to your advantage is important in this game

[Friends with Benedicts]

Yep, maybe the fact that is turn based is what takes off the need to have formations. Still would vê been somewhat helpful so that battles can start with your companions at a specific position

[Calan]

Originally posted by 2LambBuna:

you dont need them with it been turn based, dont walk around dungeons controlling a squishy. before you enter a room separate your party and have the beefiest character stood near the door with softer characters off to the side or even better up high, have another beefyish character with high inititive or a stealthy character go in and pull the monsters too you with a big surprise attack then dash back behind the door way. POSITION FIRST THEN BRING THE FIGHT TO YOU. using terrain to your advantage is important in this game

so the answer is to use clunky and unintuitive methods when decades of dungeon crawlers and crpgs fixed the issue with offering party formations. Yes I would like to prepare my position first with a formation not move individual units around for a battle that randomly gets dropped on me.

Pathfinder does this as does most other party based CRPGs, why does Baldurs gate omit such a classic QoL feature?

Actually this game is even more of a joke for the fact you had ways to operate classic party formations in BG1 + 2.

[2LambBuna]

Originally posted by Salazan:

Originally posted by 2LambBuna:

you dont need them with it been turn based, dont walk around dungeons controlling a squishy. before you enter a room separate your party and have the beefiest character stood near the door with softer characters off to the side or even better up high, have another beefyish character with high inititive or a stealthy character go in and pull the monsters too you with a big surprise attack then dash back behind the door way. POSITION FIRST THEN BRING THE FIGHT TO YOU. using terrain to your advantage is important in this game

so the answer is to use clunky and unintuitive methods when decades of dungeon crawlers and crpgs fixed the issue with offering party formations. Yes I would like to prepare my position first with a formation not move individual units around for a battle that randomly gets dropped on me.

Pathfinder does this as does most other party based CRPGs, why does Baldurs gate omit such a classic QoL feature?

no the answer is to use smart tactics. if you had pathfinder formations you could still walk your party straight through a door and into a gauntlet where you get bombared from on high by archers and spell-casters and having your "tank" in front would make bugger all difference. these aren't flat dungeons, they're 3D

[Canadian Ninja]

Don't control a squishy as your party lead when you think you're entering a combat encounter. Unless it's a rogue, and if that's the case make sure to break off from the group and stealth ahead for recon. If your Tav / origin is a squishy character designate a lead for combat and use Tav for outside of that.

[Mogwai]

Originally posted by Salazan:

Originally posted by 2LambBuna:

you dont need them with it been turn based, dont walk around dungeons controlling a squishy. before you enter a room separate your party and have the beefiest character stood near the door with softer characters off to the side or even better up high, have another beefyish character with high inititive or a stealthy character go in and pull the monsters too you with a big surprise attack then dash back behind the door way. POSITION FIRST THEN BRING THE FIGHT TO YOU. using terrain to your advantage is important in this game

so the answer is to use clunky and unintuitive methods when decades of dungeon crawlers and crpgs fixed the issue with offering party formations. Yes I would like to prepare my position first with a formation not move individual units around for a battle that randomly gets dropped on me.

Pathfinder does this as does most other party based CRPGs, why does Baldurs gate omit such a classic QoL feature?

BC its not baldurs gate its divinity 3 wearing a baldurs gate skin ....

[Calan]

Originally posted by 2LambBuna:

Originally posted by Salazan:

so the answer is to use clunky and unintuitive methods when decades of dungeon crawlers and crpgs fixed the issue with offering party formations. Yes I would like to prepare my position first with a formation not move individual units around for a battle that randomly gets dropped on me.

Pathfinder does this as does most other party based CRPGs, why does Baldurs gate omit such a classic QoL feature?

no the answer is to use smart tactics

no your answer was clunky single operating unit controls to move around for every single encounter instead of intuitive party movement with tanks front, and ranged back. You know how every other game in this genre has done it

[Stoibs]

Seriously, there's so much missing from this game that we had decades ago
The more I play the more the cracks are starting to present themselves.

[Agony_Aunt]

If you want a RP reason, its because its 4 individuals, not an army. They don't do formations.

[Calan]

Originally posted by Canadian Ninja:

Don't control a squishy as your party lead when you think you're entering a combat encounter. Unless it's a rogue, and if that's the case make sure to break off from the group and stealth ahead for recon. If your Tav / origin is a squishy character designate a lead for combat and use Tav for outside of that.

I want to operate my main character wizard to interact with things and actually appear in cut-scenes instead of some nobody bum I picked up on the side of the road. and then once he's interacted with the object to move in formation again in case of an encounter. You know, how most party based RPGs have operated

[2LambBuna]

Originally posted by Salazan:

Originally posted by 2LambBuna:

no the answer is to use smart tactics

no your answer was clunky single operating unit controls to move around for every single encounter instead of intuitive party movement with tanks front, and ranged back. You know how every other game in this genre has done it

as i said those games dont have enemies above. I don't know about you, but I've always scouted ahead with a rogue or hunter type for years in RPGs in case of traps, higher levelled monsters etc.. It's good practice. rushing everyone through a door into the unknown can end in disaster in any CRPG

[Calan]

Originally posted by Agony_Aunt:

If you want a RP reason, its because its 4 individuals, not an army. They don't do formations.

So decades of dungeon crawlers and rpgs have been doing it wrong?

[Jaggid Edje]

Anyone who has played tabletop D&D knows that the party never stays in formation properly anyway. At least not in any tabletop game I've ever played. In one of the campaigns I play in my paladin is supposed to be rear guard, but the forward people are always ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around so much that I end up in front as often as the rear, just to get things moving.

BTW, I actually agree with the premise of this thread, that it is stupid that Larian didn't include formations so that you can move the group as a whole in formation. Switching to turn based just to control movement out of combat is the stupidest thing I've seen anyone in these forums use as a "defense" for a feature the game is lacking.

[Calan]

Originally posted by 2LambBuna:

Originally posted by Salazan:

no your answer was clunky single operating unit controls to move around for every single encounter instead of intuitive party movement with tanks front, and ranged back. You know how every other game in this genre has done it

as i said those games dont have enemies above. I don't know about you, but I've always scouted ahead with a rogue or hunter type for years in RPGs in case of traps, higher levelled monsters etc.. It's good practice

Pathfinder has enemies above and has formations