Recruiting minthara. Too costly?

[Norbac]

Minor spoilers ahead.

Siding with minthara automatically removes wyll and karlach from your party.
Gale leaves as well unless persuaded.

Halsin is a druid and you can't recruit him after destroying their camp.

Edit: unless you cheese the game, you will lose wyll, karlach and halsin. Gale has to be persuaded to stay.

[caliinyo]

I played with a party of 3 until Act 2 when I could recruit Minthara. Playing as Dark Urge isn't easy lol.

[wei270]

Originally posted by Draescan:

Is it possible to recruit her THEN go pick up Karlach and Wyll? I presume not but I'm hoping to find loopholes to this. I prefer to play a bit more neutral of a character generally but I cannot imagine a campaign without Karlach and Wyll at this point. I enjoy their company too much.

it seems the way to do it, pick up karlach and wyll, ignore the glove, go to act 2 with mountain. then she will show up in act 2. she is only suppose to be true mutually exclusive with harsin.

[soul like that be capable of]

Originally posted by Norbac:

Minor spoilers ahead.

Siding with minthara automatically removes wyll and karlach from your party.
Gale leaves as well unless persuaded.

Halsin is a druid and you can't recruit him after destroying their camp.
Then i'm 95% sure you can't recruit jaheira because she's literally your enemy.

You lose FIVE companions and you are left with lae'zel, shadowheart and astarion.

I understand the choices you make should have consequences, but they overdid it.
Been playing the last 10h with a party that I don't like because I have no choice, all for the sake of a character that hasn't even joined my party yet. What the ♥♥♥♥.

wow i didnt knew you can recruit her. good to know . i might to do this in my 3 or 4th run haha. she has to be good if so many leave her . balance alone has to be done for this

[Wykydtron]

Im pretty sure game is designed for multiple playthrus so having that much of difference in character rooster is good thing as it lets you experience game in new way. Im big fan of games with consequences, maybe more people will learn thats how real life works too, you will not always have what you want and your choice can completely change your life. People need to learn it as looking at modern youth its clear there were raised believing there are no consequences no matter what they do.

[Lucifer69]

Easiest way to recruit Minthara while remaining semi neutral/ good is killing the goblin leaders, and not encountering her at all. Then save Helsin. You will meet her later and she does go through a bit of character development later too. She's still evil aligned and loves a slaughter though.

This still feels like an exploit/ bug. Not sure if you can skip the Goblin Camp entirely. Haven't tried that yet. I just run two customs (my sorcerer leader and my bard/ warlock second). And rotate out Lea'zel, Minthara, and Shadowheart as needed. Asterion tends to stay in the group the most for sneak kills.

Edit: Dark Urge will be my next play. Atm, I'm just a selfish sorcerer on a quest for power. Next I think a draconian sorcerer might be fun. Maybe a solo or duo only run with Shadow/ Minthara. I'll eventually try out being more of a hero at some point. Karlach is absolutely adorable so she'll likely be a constant companion when I do.

[Norbac]

Originally posted by Lucifer69:

Easiest way to recruit Minthara while remaining semi neutral/ good is killing the goblin leaders, and not encountering her at all. Then save Helsin. You will meet her later and she does go through a bit of character development later too. She's still evil aligned and loves a slaughter though.

This still feels like an exploit/ bug. Not sure if you can skip the Goblin Camp entirely. Haven't tried that yet. I just run two customs (my sorcerer leader and my bard/ warlock second). And rotate out Lea'zel, Minthara, and Shadowheart as needed. Asterion tends to stay in the group the most for sneak kills.

I thought carrying out her mission was essential for her recruitment.
So you either help the camp or help her and gain her trust.
Didn't think you'd have to cheese the ♥♥♥♥ out of the game when the options seem clear enough.

Jaheira CAN be recruited, but the way things are presented hint you'll have massacre last light inn as well in the name of the absolute.

So doing things the way I think were intended, you'd lose only 3 companions if you persuade gale.

Spoiler act 2


This feels so wrong.
I had to align with evil to please my drow wife and then when you actually recruit her:
"It was just a prank!! Can we go back to being the good guys?"

[Vorpal Spoon]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Lichlord9333:

In the end all ethics and morality lays with individual, what they believe is right and wrong there's no universal accepted right or wong.

There is in D&D. The planar cosmology was literally built upon the idea of there being objective morality in the world, and no matter how much WotC or modern players attempt to claim otherwise, this will continue to remain the case until such a time as the developers rebuild the cosmology from the ground up.

In act 3, we find out that the Society of Arcane Brilliance, or whatever they're called, were actually trying to conduct experiments on 'genetic morality' to see if raising the child of an evil race in a peaceful and nurturing environment would allow it to rise above it's instincts and become a good person.

I read this reply and I have to commend you for this. The entire alignment and planar system in D&D was based on this deep and complex concept, and good and evil were the sole basis for divine powers, deities, and even the afterlife. It's a fantasy game, not reality.

Then at some point, real world philosophical atheism wormed its way into D&D, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fantasy game, and now we end up with "what is the good?" and paladins that gain powers by self prescription via an oath. It seems like with each edition, they are moving away from that axiom toward, so gamers don't get butt hurt over someone's made up character worshiping a deity.

At some point, maybe D&D 8th Edition, paladins and clerics will be like the home schooled kid at the party in the band of adventurers.

[mitchellmark939]

Originally posted by Norbac:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

YOu can choose your own path, you just have to live with the consequences.

Your Playstyle isn't gimped, you just decided to be evil, and a lot of your companions just aren't evil.

You are literally stating the issue.
I lose FIVE companions because the game is heavily biased towards "good" aligment. Hence too costly and poor balanced.
What are you even trying to argue.

the onlyy issue here is you thinking that anyone you meet is just down and ok with you joining an evil murderer. flat out that was your dumbass decision, you got what was coming. of course the not physcho murderers in your party have an issue an leave ytf woudnt they lol. delusional

[Norbac]

Originally posted by mitchellmark939:

Originally posted by Norbac:

You are literally stating the issue.
I lose FIVE companions because the game is heavily biased towards "good" aligment. Hence too costly and poor balanced.
What are you even trying to argue.

the onlyy issue here is you thinking that anyone you meet is just down and ok with you joining an evil murderer. flat out that was your dumbass decision, you got what was coming. of course the not physcho murderers in your party have an issue an leave ytf woudnt they lol. delusional

Room temperature iq.

[Chappell Roan]

Originally posted by scythewielder:

It's logical that most typically good people will leave your party if you do something so evil.

That said, Gale isn't exactly hard to keep around. You just need to persuade him.

Having said all of this, I think a more interesting conversation would be regarding what happens with Minthara after recruitment.

Most players aren't going to do it, so presumably there's been less testing.

Can you romance Gale after having sided with Minthara and destroyed the grove ?

[darkgheed]

No you can keep them - only not the druid. When you do all quests without help the druid in the camp (dont meet him at best), not meet mithera in the camp and then leave the map in the deep torwards act 2 (dont know the name) - then you can have M, K and W. Sadly not all the Tieflings will survive. And what is funny, K likes M and M likes K. Dont interference with the war

[Zero McDol]

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

Yeah. Minthara is an excellent character, and in Act 2, she has a major character development. I really want to get her to the party... But doing so pretty much ensures a bad ending overall. It is way too costly to recruit her. IMO, her quest should be reworked to give some skill checks for the player to allow us to get her into the party without going full evil.

Her main goal is a item that it believed to be at the camp. Unfortunately, her other goal is to also to destroy the camp and kill all of the residents.

I can see no way of circumventing this.

Had the game offered the player a chance to get to know her and potentially seduce her to the player's side, then sure, but that option is impossible due to the pace of the story arc.

[🍀]

Ya'll there is this much discussion on one companion in this game. Think about that.

So many good points brought up by lots of people and lots of different ways to maneuver her recruitment too that i didnt think were possible.

Thats how good this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game is!

[Lichlord9333]

Originally posted by Lucifer69:

Easiest way to recruit Minthara while remaining semi neutral/ good is killing the goblin leaders, and not encountering her at all. Then save Helsin. You will meet her later and she does go through a bit of character development later too. She's still evil aligned and loves a slaughter though.

I mean she's still a lolth-sworn drow can't exactly dismiss that cruelty is in her nature.

[Zero McDol]

Originally posted by Pra Ver Você Sambar (20syl Rmx):

Ya'll there is this much discussion on one companion in this game. Think about that.

So many good points brought up by lots of people and lots of different ways to maneuver her recruitment too that i didnt think were possible.

Thats how good this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game is!

I mean, it's a great game for roleplay, story content, romance, and questing, but it lacks sand to enjoy. Nothing against that of course. To me, it's a story and quests game, and while I do absolutely enjoy playing it, my main interests lies in sandbox elements.

Not to say that sand has to be in this game or anything.