i just kill slavers duergars and somehow break my oath of ancients)_))

[Somulo]

ajahahahahhaahahah

NICE LOGIC

KILL DUERGAR - SLAVERS TO SAVE GNOMES

BROKEN THE OATH

NICE LOGIC))))

THE UNDERSTANDING OF GOOD AND EVIL ON EXTEREMELY PERFECT LEVEL STORY WRITER!

[Arlen]

Originally posted by Locklave:

I hate these threads by people fundamentally don't understand what a Paladin is. Killing them isn't the problem. The problem is you a Paladin have a code of behavior via that Oath and attacking anyone not outright hostile to you is a violation of that code.

Stop talking about how they are evil, that is absolutely not why you became an Oath breaker. You can confront them, then kill them when they refuse to relent their evil.

Does confronting evil directly not suit you?
Think it's dumb to talk to them first and demand they change?
Think it's easier to just attack or ambush them?
Think maintaining your code over the well-being of other is wrong?

If the answer to any above is yes then you aren't actually aren't suited to be a Paladin. Paladins are are equal parts unreasonable/self righteous and stupid. A stereotype Barbarian is more logical and reasonable.

They fight evil but they believe not maintaining a code of ethics is evil. You OP broke the code you swore to, you became the evil.

Go play any other class if you want to act like that, don't take the only class with a strict Oath and rules then cry about having to follow them.

OP got banned, ironic if you see it as he broke the code like his Pally broke his oath. I am actually chuckling at the poetic justice of it all.

[Invalidiot]

While I agree with the OP that it is silly, it is functioning as intended. The official description of the Oath of the Ancients reads “You fight on the side of light in the cosmic struggle against darkness to preserve the sanctity of life and the beauty of nature”, and the tenets are to "Kindle the Light, Shelter the Light, and Preserve Your Own Light" 5E apparently has no problem with a Paladin just standing around watching The Light of Life being snuffed out from a slave from their slavers when the Paladin could stop it from happening. I am so glad I stopped buying D&D products after getting a few 3rd Ed. books and seeing how they were trying to turn the game into video game on paper and cater to the BIG DPS crowd. It makes me feel that the role play aspect suffers. Ahh well perhaps I am just an old codger

[SmashingQuasar]

Originally posted by Invalidiot:

While I agree with the OP that it is silly, it is functioning as intended. The official description of the Oath of the Ancients reads “You fight on the side of light in the cosmic struggle against darkness to preserve the sanctity of life and the beauty of nature”, and the tenets are to "Kindle the Light, Shelter the Light, and Preserve Your Own Light" 5E apparently has no problem with a Paladin just standing around watching The Light of Life being snuffed out from a slave from their slavers when the Paladin could stop it from happening. I am so glad I stopped buying D&D products after getting a few 3rd Ed. books and seeing how they were trying to turn the game into video game on paper and cater to the BIG DPS crowd. It makes me feel that the role play aspect suffers. Ahh well perhaps I am just an old codger

This is because preserving the sanctity of life is implied as ALL life, slavers included. Redeeming them by showing them the proper way is what's intended in this kind of oath. Murdering them unprovoked is not compatible with this oath. Again, you don't like paladin oaths, don't pick them. I never understood how so many people pick paladin, see that there are specific rules to follow, do not take the time to let them sink in and understand them, break them and then complain to the DM that they broke their oath.

[Alex]

So provoke them. I am playing the orc of holy vengeance and I never once lost my oath and I've done bad things. I killed a goblin kid using the corpse of another goblin kid. My oath is still intact.

[SmashingQuasar]

Originally posted by Alex:

So provoke them. I am playing the orc of holy vengeance and I never once lost my oath and I've done bad things. I killed a goblin kid using the corpse of another goblin kid. My oath is still intact.

Excatly, I am play oath of vengeance, gave the duergars a change to back off, they didn't, they're all dead, my oath is intact.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by Alex:

So provoke them. I am playing the orc of holy vengeance and I never once lost my oath and I've done bad things. I killed a goblin kid using the corpse of another goblin kid. My oath is still intact.

Vengeance is the "I dont give a ♥♥♥♥" oath.
You see evil, you kill evil.
It's cut and dry.
Oath of the Ancients is more about taking the moral high ground and being a pacifist until being a pacifist is no longer viable.

I think as Oath of the Ancients, you are allowed to fight anyone who becomes hostile after you talk to them, but if you take the literal "attack" dialogue option the game goes "YOu attacked unprovoked, have fun being an Oathbreaker now"

[SmashingQuasar]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by Alex:

So provoke them. I am playing the orc of holy vengeance and I never once lost my oath and I've done bad things. I killed a goblin kid using the corpse of another goblin kid. My oath is still intact.

Vengeance is the "I dont give a ♥♥♥♥" oath.
You see evil, you kill evil.
It's cut and dry.
Oath of the Ancients is more about taking the moral high ground and being a pacifist until being a pacifist is no longer viable.

I think as Oath of the Ancients, you are allowed to fight anyone who becomes hostile after you talk to them, but if you take the literal "attack" dialogue option the game goes "YOu attacked unprovoked, have fun being an Oathbreaker now"

Yes exactly, and vengeance is not Batman by any means and people need to understand that. Batman will NOT KILL whatever happens. An oath of vengeance paladin will give you one chance to get out of their way, if you don't he will move you out even if it means killing you. Oath of vengeance will also refuse to give any chance of redemption for purely evil creatures such as devils, fiends and undeads. This is why people need to stop saying oath of vengeance is a Batman knock off. If you want a pop culture example, then Samara from Mass Effect is clearly an oath of vengeance paladin. She has her code and her goal and nothing else can get in the way. She even tells Shepard that no matter what happens, if he makes her do something dishonorable, she will have to kill him/her.

[Settings]

OP picked the Lawful Good class and then did a Chaotic Evil thing; "WHY DOESNT THE GAME LIKE THIS?!!?!"

[Settings]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by Alex:

So provoke them. I am playing the orc of holy vengeance and I never once lost my oath and I've done bad things. I killed a goblin kid using the corpse of another goblin kid. My oath is still intact.

Vengeance is the "I dont give a ♥♥♥♥" oath.
You see evil, you kill evil.
It's cut and dry.
Oath of the Ancients is more about taking the moral high ground and being a pacifist until being a pacifist is no longer viable.

I think as Oath of the Ancients, you are allowed to fight anyone who becomes hostile after you talk to them, but if you take the literal "attack" dialogue option the game goes "YOu attacked unprovoked, have fun being an Oathbreaker now"

This is it and the game makes it rather obvious when you choose a Paladin Oath that this is how it is. Devotion Paladins and Ancient Paladins are Lawful Good. If you lie, murder, steal, or deceive in any way you are not "Good" you're just an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ playing as a Paladin. If you really want to go around murdering everyone you dont like then you pick Vengeance Oath and enjoy the 0 repercussions for your actions

[KiT2142]

tldr op does not understand how paladins work

[Invalidiot]

Originally posted by SmashingQuasar:

Originally posted by Invalidiot:

While I agree with the OP that it is silly, it is functioning as intended. The official description of the Oath of the Ancients reads “You fight on the side of light in the cosmic struggle against darkness to preserve the sanctity of life and the beauty of nature”, and the tenets are to "Kindle the Light, Shelter the Light, and Preserve Your Own Light" 5E apparently has no problem with a Paladin just standing around watching The Light of Life being snuffed out from a slave from their slavers when the Paladin could stop it from happening. I am so glad I stopped buying D&D products after getting a few 3rd Ed. books and seeing how they were trying to turn the game into video game on paper and cater to the BIG DPS crowd. It makes me feel that the role play aspect suffers. Ahh well perhaps I am just an old codger

This is because preserving the sanctity of life is implied as ALL life, slavers included. Redeeming them by showing them the proper way is what's intended in this kind of oath. Murdering them unprovoked is not compatible with this oath. Again, you don't like paladin oaths, don't pick them. I never understood how so many people pick paladin, see that there are specific rules to follow, do not take the time to let them sink in and understand them, break them and then complain to the DM that they broke their oath.

Nowhere in my post did I say to attack or murder anyone. I suspect that if you had a levitation spell or any spell that would save the gnome from being killed at all without targeting or damaging anyone the game would treat that as an attack and the same result would happen of breaking the oath by initiating combat. I am not certain because I have not encountered it yet to test. Going by your logic these paladins are most certainly vegetarians and possibly even that would break the oath since you say ALL life. These paladins Tiptoe Through The Tulips not because they are in love but because they might step on a bug.

[SmashingQuasar]

Originally posted by Invalidiot:

Originally posted by SmashingQuasar:

This is because preserving the sanctity of life is implied as ALL life, slavers included. Redeeming them by showing them the proper way is what's intended in this kind of oath. Murdering them unprovoked is not compatible with this oath. Again, you don't like paladin oaths, don't pick them. I never understood how so many people pick paladin, see that there are specific rules to follow, do not take the time to let them sink in and understand them, break them and then complain to the DM that they broke their oath.

Nowhere in my post did I say to attack or murder anyone. I suspect that if you had a levitation spell or any spell that would save the gnome from being killed at all without targeting or damaging anyone the game would treat that as an attack and the same result would happen of breaking the oath by initiating combat. I am not certain because I have not encountered it yet to test. Going by your logic these paladins are most certainly vegetarians and possibly even that would break the oath since you say ALL life. These paladins Tiptoe Through The Tulips not because they are in love but because they might step on a bug.

Well yes, they do. That's old school paladins in DnD. Oath of Devotion and Oath of the Ancients are a far cry of the old paladin system where paladin were forced to be Lawful Good so yes, everything you said is actually the case. Again, don't play a Lawful Good oath if you don't intend to play Lawful Good or don't know what an excruciating experience it is.

[Stygian Ikazuchi]

Originally posted by Stone Cold Stavros Flatley:

This thread is particularly hilarious if you imagine OP as his Paladin, ranting at the sky and demanding logic behind zealously religious actions, while passersby try to calm and reason with him but he just... doesn't care.

This is literally the beginning of OP's descent into a Dark Paladin and it's fantastic character progression, more more!

alright that got a laugh out of me.

[Invalidiot]

I am playing a druid and yes I have played Paladin in many different groups off and on since 1980. Going by the rules as written philosophy is what has led to the Lawful Stupid meme even back then, and I never had a DM that hard lined playing it that way nor would I stay for one that did. DMs would look at the situation and circumstances of the encounter and work out a solution to moral/ethical questions. That is very hard to do in a Video Game. As I said I have not been there yet, but does Larian provide a way to interrupt the killing and allow some way to stop it from happening or initiate a dialogue? Shout at them to stop and wait or offer to buy the slave for their freedom? Is it a death that's unavoidable? I ask for just for people who feel they way OP does and want a solution. With my druid the duegar will be toasted asap. Hmmm.. I wonder as I don't play a pally if it happens when a party member initiates combat? Just some thoughts to help other people with the question/solution.

[DontMisunderstand]

Oaths have meaning. The game gave you a strict code of conduct you are expected to follow right after you chose your Paladin subclass. It's on you for breaking the tenets of your Oath. Just accept the fact that you're an Oathbreaker now, it's a pretty cool powerset. Embrace the curves life throws at you, move on and make the best of it.