Sorceror is under powered needs some buffs

[Sephiroth]

(no ANIMATED DEAD? FOR SORCEROR WOW) <--- BACKWARDS BS

That is all I am saying. This does not feel like a sorceror who can sling spells all day.

Instead he has just as many spells as a wizard.... which is backwards.

Sorcerors are supposed to have a ton of spells at the cost of less spells known.

Wizard has the same amount of spells to sling as a sorceror in this game PLUS the added benefit of mixing and matching ALL SPELLS.

What a completely imbalanced mess.

Really feels like an unfinished game.

Meta magic is to weak though.

Also a Wizard still gains Arcane points.

So both classes have the same amount of spells normally.
then you add that they both have a resource to replenish some spells. Keeps them close to equal still.

Now we come down to the important thing.
The wizard can use every spell and change them around all day to suite his needs where as a sorceror cannot he is stuck with FEWER spells known and also UNABLE TO INTERCHANGE SPELLS ALL DAY OR AT ALL UNTIL HE LEVELS UP WHICH THEN HE CAN ONLY DO 1 SPELL.

Meta magic simply is not strong enough of a mechanic to make up for the gigantic weakeness.

I am at level 4 and close to 5. But I still can only shoot 2 spells in 1 round ONE TIME ALL DAY.

its simply WEAK.

Now if they reduced the point cost down to 2 at least I would be able to do it twice per turn.


Using quicken means I lose 3 level 1 spells... to cast.... so again..

At the end of all this regardless the sorceror is just a weak class and they should fix it by possibly reducing the sorceror cost of metamagic and also adding some more castings per day to their "base amount of spells they can cast"

They are naturally supposed to sling more spells than a wizard so make it more natural it should not even require metamagic to increase the number of spells you can cast

[BigRockWall]

OP hasnt cast haste on himself yet. Sorc and Wiz both can cast 2 spells a turn with haste. Where sorcs gain the upper hand here is with twincast. Wiz gotta choose between hasting himself or a martial character. Sorc can haste both at the same time. I will 100% of the time take a sorc over a wiz in BG3. Unless of course you are just taking 1 level of wiz on like a 11 cleric 1 wiz type thing.

It's so powerful I even try to work 5 sorc into other builds where possible. Like 2 Pally / 5 warlock / 5 Sorc. You could even bring 2 sorcs to haste the whole party, or split between twin haste and twin greater invis. 2 concentration slots in 1 is super powerful. Far more powerful than access to every spell.

And tell you what, just go 11 sorc 1 wix and you get every spell. You just have to know what spells to take as a sorc (has attack roll or save) and leave all the buffs and uitilty to wizard learning the spells from scrolls.

[Pixie Paws]

I always play as sorcerer in DnD. And i am 80% agree with the OP.
I hate 5e and sorcerer in BG3 5e just does not feel like a regular sorcerer for me.
Killing the main feature of a sorcerer - "spontaneous casting" is a crime.

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by TheDeadlyShoe:

yeah sorcerer slaps. it sucks not having the flexibility of wizard, but being able to twin spell ice knife is amazing. not only does it do crazy burst damage but it puts down ice surfaces, so you have good odds of CCing their front line on turn 1. And thats at level 2.

quickened spell is expensive but its a flat cost. it kinda sucks early on. later on being able to quickened cast high level spells is amazing

Yes, this exactly. Twinned Ice Knife is crazy op early on in many fights.

And Quickened is great for bursting, especially when you have Advantage or ideally a paralyzed enemy nearby. Wet paralyzed enemy + Quickened lightning/cold Chromatic Orb + regular lightning/cold Chromatic Orb is freaking amazing. Even without the paralyze, you might use the auto-crit ability or something.

This stuff is just barely scratching the surface of what a Sorcerer can do, too.

[BigRockWall]

Originally posted by Pixie Paws:

I always play as sorcerer in DnD. And i am 80% agree with the OP.
I hate 5e and sorcerer in BG3 5e just does not feel like a regular sorcerer for me.
Killing the main feature of a sorcerer - "spontaneous casting" is a crime.

Technically that't not what happened. 5e did not remove spontaneous casting from sorcs, it gave it to all classes. Wizards in 3.x ed had to memorize exactly 4 fire balls if they wanted to cast fireball 4 times. Also, metamagic was a wizard focus in 3rd edition in the form of wiz got bonus metamagic feats on level up. Now it is exclusive to sorc and is what separates the 2 classes.

So yes, this is all different from previous iterations of the game. No the sorc is not underpowered.

[Pixie Paws]

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

Technically that't not what happened. 5e did not remove spontaneous casting from sorcs, it gave it to all classes.

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

metamagic was a wizard focus in 3rd edition in the form of wiz got bonus metamagic feats on level up. Now it is exclusive to sorc and is what separates the 2 classes.

These 2 things exactly what i don't like about all spellcasters now.

I never said sorc is underpowered, it is just not a sorc i used to play before. And new sorcerer is boring as nine hells for me.

[HozzMidnight]

Have not played a Sorceror. I like them over Wizards in actual DnD. Here though, being able to swap prepared spells at will out of combat? lol. Huge buff to Wizards and it devalues the core mechanic of a Sorceror.

[mrbiggest]

What is the most powerful classed sorcerer?? Just Sorc 12 or a Sorlock combo (? levels) or something like fighter 1 / Sorc 11?

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by BarcaS:

Originally posted by krunjar:

Funny I was pretty sure that I played a sorc for the first time in throne of bhaal. I might be wrong though. Maybe it was neverwinter nights? It's been a long time. I was still replacing all my portraits with anime fanart because i thought it was cool back then XD.

God .. I was so cringe.

They are incorrect. You can play Sorcerer in BG2.
EDIT: Maybe I am mistaken. Dammit, my memory is not as it was.

Definitely could play Sorceror in BG1EE. None of this really matters to much though for the topic. Bottom line is sorceror is supposed to be able to sling way more spells than a wizard by design. This game has went backwards.

[BigRockWall]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Originally posted by BarcaS:

They are incorrect. You can play Sorcerer in BG2.
EDIT: Maybe I am mistaken. Dammit, my memory is not as it was.

Definitely could play Sorceror in BG1EE. None of this really matters to much though for the topic. Bottom line is sorceror is supposed to be able to sling way more spells than a wizard by design. This game has went backwards.

By design in 3rd edition DND. Not by design in 5th edition DND, which this game is based on. Your complaint is with 5e DND, not with this game. You don't like the way 5e differentiates wiz and sorc, and that's perfectly fine. Sorc is not underpowered.

[Clovis Sangrail]

My sorcerer is doing just fine, thank you.

Last fight, she set two ogres on fire and polished the third off with a Magic Missile. The air was redolent of BBQ ogre.

I asked her, and she told me it was a 'git gud' issue, whatever that means.

[BornToKill]

Multiclass into one level of wizard. Bam, you can learn all spells.

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Definitely could play Sorceror in BG1EE. None of this really matters to much though for the topic. Bottom line is sorceror is supposed to be able to sling way more spells than a wizard by design. This game has went backwards.

Sorcerer is "designed" to be an innate arcane caster vs prepared (Wizard). The specifics of how that's implemented from one version to the next will vary, of course. Sorcerer is not "way more spells".

By the way, you can cheat for more spells or infinite spells or whatever, so go ahead and do that if it floats your boat.

[Lichlord9333]

Originally posted by BornToKill:

Multiclass into one level of wizard. Bam, you can learn all spells.

One thing I noticed is how armours don't have a % in spell casting failure you could literally go a lvl into fighter and have a 20 AC spell caster... Here I was thinking my 14dex/14con/17cha dragon bloodline sorceror was the hot ♥♥♥♥...

[Comuse]

sorcs in 5e just kinda suck. they also have the same problem as battlemaster; locking what should be a basic feature (metamagic) of an archetype (casters) behind a class instead of making the class distinct on its own. not to mention making wizards spontaneous casters essentially ruined the thing sorcerers were created for in the first place.

[BigRockWall]

All spellcasters getting spontaneous cast isn't unique to 5e. Dungeons and Dragons Online has been around for well over a decade, and was originally based on 3.5 edition ruleset. They used the spell point system alternate rule from the DMG and made all spells spontaneous cast and no spell slots at all. I appreciated the change even back then. They did however stick to the 3rd edition design of sorc and gave them a bigger SP pool than wizards.