Astarion good ending?

[Skarlet]

Are there any ways to make him full vampire without tadpole and without Cazador ritual? I have only seen two "endings" so far (without tadpole): vampire maniac ascendant and remain vampire spawn

[💤Osama Bin Ballin💤]

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[angel]

I checked some DnD sources and apparently, one can only become a full vampire if their master allowed it? I think that’s why Astarion didn’t become true vampire but I’m not sure, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

[Pyromairon]

Up!!

Really interested too

[Stanfreed]

One comment on a YouTube video mentioned something about him becoming a full vampire but without the power obsession.
Hope I'm not mis-remembering, I'll see if I can get that source, lol

[Sarasta]

You can have him become a Vampire Ascendant after beating Cazador Szarr, but It's not the good ending for him.

[💤Osama Bin Ballin💤]

After playing the quest line both ways, I think its purposefully made to have either ending suck. You would think having him save his kin and not undergo the ritual would be good, but then that leaves thousands of spawn underneath the city eternally trapped and starving which is terrifying. Not to mention you then set off monster hunters on him and the other spawn. Conversely if you go through with the ritual he initially becomes drunk with power but if you talk to him later on in camp he mentions he's becoming more adjusted to his new state. I haven't reached the ending of the game, but I believe going through with the ritual is the lesser evil compared to having thousands of spawn underneath the city starved for blood, which is like a dormant nuke waiting to be exploded.

[The Glizzler]

Originally posted by 💤Osama Bin Ballin💤:

After playing the quest line both ways, I think its purposefully made to have either ending suck. You would think having him save his kin and not undergo the ritual would be good, but then that leaves thousands of spawn underneath the city eternally trapped and starving which is terrifying. Not to mention you then set off monster hunters on him and the other spawn. Conversely if you go through with the ritual he initially becomes drunk with power but if you talk to him later on in camp he mentions he's becoming more adjusted to his new state. I haven't reached the ending of the game, but I believe going through with the ritual is the lesser evil compared to having thousands of spawn underneath the city starved for blood, which is like a dormant nuke waiting to be exploded.

You can have him avoid the ritual and save his brothers and sisters and also get rid of the other thousands in captive. the Grugs accept it as the correct but hard decision but i did a persuasion check so idk if they become hostile if you fail it.

[Miro Fox]

Originally posted by Sarasta:

You can have him become a Vampire Ascendant after beating Cazador Szarr, but It's not the good ending for him.

depends what you define as good.

[💤Osama Bin Ballin💤]

Originally posted by The Glizzler:

Originally posted by 💤Osama Bin Ballin💤:

After playing the quest line both ways, I think its purposefully made to have either ending suck. You would think having him save his kin and not undergo the ritual would be good, but then that leaves thousands of spawn underneath the city eternally trapped and starving which is terrifying. Not to mention you then set off monster hunters on him and the other spawn. Conversely if you go through with the ritual he initially becomes drunk with power but if you talk to him later on in camp he mentions he's becoming more adjusted to his new state. I haven't reached the ending of the game, but I believe going through with the ritual is the lesser evil compared to having thousands of spawn underneath the city starved for blood, which is like a dormant nuke waiting to be exploded.

You can have him avoid the ritual and save his brothers and sisters and also get rid of the other thousands in captive. the Grugs accept it as the correct but hard decision but i did a persuasion check so idk if they become hostile if you fail it.

I never got the option, for me it was either let him do the ritual or if I refuse to help him he snaps the staff but leaves with his spawn siblings. Idk if my relationship wasn’t high enough to get the better version of the ending.

[they call him John Dota]

Originally posted by 💤Osama Bin Ballin💤:

Originally posted by The Glizzler:

You can have him avoid the ritual and save his brothers and sisters and also get rid of the other thousands in captive. the Grugs accept it as the correct but hard decision but i did a persuasion check so idk if they become hostile if you fail it.

I never got the option, for me it was either let him do the ritual or if I refuse to help him he snaps the staff but leaves with his spawn siblings. Idk if my relationship wasn’t high enough to get the better version of the ending.

My relationship with Astarion was only "fair" because I seldom had him in the party, but I still got the option.

The dialogue option occurs when you say "You can't do this, you'll kill all those people", there's then a persuasion check which, if successful, will lead to the "good" ending, in which he doesn't ascend and also doesn't leave the party, and tells his brothers and sisters they're not allowed to eat people in the city. You can then decide what to do with the spawn: kill them, release them or leave them.

It's a hard choice. It's not their fault they're monsters, and who's to say that some of them won't turn out like Astarion - clinging on to a semblance of morality and meeting people who steer them right?

But pragmatically, with literal THOUSANDS of them, the result would likely be the opposite for the vast majority, which means a lot more innocent blood spilled. Killing them might be the tough but moral choice. It was for me.

The last choice would be to leave them imprisoned for eternity. This is, IMO, the only "wrong" choice. You're condemning thousands of people to a LITERAL ETERNITY of imprisonment, insatiable hunger, madness and suffering, including some who will forever be children.

The first two choices are a "which is the lesser evil?" kind of moral dilemma, and the "correct" choice is up to your personal morality, be it absolute or relativistic. Again, for me, the pragmatic and overall less cruel choice for the most people was vapourising them all.

[TotalN00b]

Just FYI, if your char is polymorphed or similar they won't be able to talk and the scene will default to the worst ending (not helping astarion in any way). He kills Cazador and leaves the party.

[Ol Clappy Cheeks]

I don't get how getting some words etched into your back with a knife means your soul is eternally bound to go to hell now. Isn't that a weird imbalance of power? Shouldn't you have more agency over your own soul? Why are devils trying to make all these deals for souls when they can just get a dagger and inscribe someone's back? Kinda nonsensical even by magical standards.

[guppy]

Originally posted by Boy Kisser:

Originally posted by Sarasta:

You can have him become a Vampire Ascendant after beating Cazador Szarr, but It's not the good ending for him.

depends what you define as good.

Think I got the good ending; I killed the top vamp, reduced zombie astarion to a pile of ash and then killed every single vampire in the world.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/guppy42/screenshot/2090288967783589763/

Shadowheart did comment "I hope it was worth it", and boy was it ever.

Wierdly the hunters needed convincing of the very same point - you either solve the problem now or leave your grand children to deal with it. Might was not postpone the inevitable and do a properly thorough job today

[Blair Fujin]

no, you either get all powerful vampire who's no longer the astarion you knew or a spawn who faced his abuser and is grateful that you believed he could be better than he thought about himself
(and I guess you can also leave him be and have him leave you)