Is the resilience feat bugged?

[HelsDottir]

According to the tool tip it's supposed to give +1 to a stat and improved saving throws for that stat. I gave it to my cleric but she didn't get the +1 wisdom her wisdom stat is still 17.

[[TAW] Derisat Hartfelt]

resilient wisdom isnt working atm

[MrMonsterHunter]

I noticed resilient isn't reflected in the level up screen, but when you check your character sheet, it will list the correct stat increase and saving throw proficiency.

[Chenny Kesney]

Mine was the opposite. I gained the ability point, but not the proff bonus to it. I may be ignorant, but it seems bugged to me.

[Hobocop]

Clerics are already proficient in Wisdom saving throws, so there's no reason to take Resilient for that save on them.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Umm...because you should not take resilient for ANY kind of ability in which your character is proficient with.
It is a waste, you wont get additional dice to saves sadly.

So resilient is a way to expand your proficiencies not strengthen an existing one.
As a cleric you take ability increase to increase your wisdom so 2 points:P

[[TAW] Derisat Hartfelt]

it's not profficiencies it's saving throws isnt it?. different. Wisdom saving throw vs wisdom proff is different. Not all saving throws are skill checks. they are spell checks

[Shintai]

You should still get +1, else it is bugged.

In terms of the feat itself. It is pretty much only useful for CON, unless you already have saving throws in CON. For casters this is how you can help the horrible concentration system.

[Angarvin]

Originally posted by TAW Derisat Hartfelt:

it's not profficiencies it's saving throws isnt it?. different. Wisdom saving throw vs wisdom proff is different. Not all saving throws are skill checks. they are spell checks

resilient gives proficiency in saving throw.
saving throws, skill checks and spell (attack?) checks are all different things and only one is tied to resilience feat - saving throw proficiency.
i don't know where exactly you got lost, but you are, it seems.

[Cernunnos]

Originally posted by HelsDottir:

According to the tool tip it's supposed to give +1 to a stat and improved saving throws for that stat. I gave it to my cleric but she didn't get the +1 wisdom her wisdom stat is still 17.

It, for some reason, doesn't actually show you the +1 when in the level up screen.
You do have the +1 which you'll see when you finalise your choice and leave the level up screen but it'll never show you the +1 to that attribute in the level up screen or future ones.

[dolby]

Clerics are already proficient in Wisdom saving throws, so there's no reason to take Resilient for that save on them.

not if you multiclass, let say start with fighter to get the cos save prof. etc....

anyway worked fine for me got the +1 and saving throw proficiency. Few feats are bugged but this one works...

[[TAW] Derisat Hartfelt]

Originally posted by Angarvin:

Originally posted by TAW Derisat Hartfelt:

it's not profficiencies it's saving throws isnt it?. different. Wisdom saving throw vs wisdom proff is different. Not all saving throws are skill checks. they are spell checks

resilient gives proficiency in saving throw.
saving throws, skill checks and spell (attack?) checks are all different things and only one is tied to resilience feat - saving throw proficiency.
i don't know where exactly you got lost, but you are, it seems.

wouldnt that mean that taking it in Int would give a proff in all knowledge skills? it didnt give me Int proff in knowledge or investigation skills at all. However it gave me a boost on an Int saving throw vs psionics.

Saving Throws is not Skill Checks. if taken in wisdom it wont give you a bonus on nature checks or perception checks but it will on Saving Throws vs Spells who's check is wisdom. Con would be concentration checks as well some knockdown and poison.

So Wisdom and Dex are perhaps the best choices. Since reflex is the most common determination of physical checks and wisdom of casters

[dolby]

Originally posted by TAW Derisat :

So Wisdom and Dex are perhaps the best choices. Since reflex is the most common determination of physical checks and wisdom of casters

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19ZFslKzZnYUhjCjYVz3-cDSQiQAfP8IADmSaXjkiQew/edit?usp=sharing

There you have a Spreadsheet for saving throws in 5e...
but bg 3 adds a bunch with weapon attacks most are con saves so safe to a few more saving throws to 200+ con saving throws in that Spreadsheet.

SO yeah safe to say diping to fighter has it's advantages... or talking this feat in con or dex...

[Angarvin]

Originally posted by TAW Derisat Hartfelt:

Originally posted by Angarvin:

resilient gives proficiency in saving throw.
saving throws, skill checks and spell (attack?) checks are all different things and only one is tied to resilience feat - saving throw proficiency.
i don't know where exactly you got lost, but you are, it seems.

wouldnt that mean that taking it in Int would give a proff in all knowledge skills? it didnt give me Int proff in knowledge or investigation skills at all. However it gave me a boost on an Int saving throw vs psionics.

Saving Throws is not Skill Checks. if taken in wisdom it wont give you a bonus on nature checks or perception checks but it will on Saving Throws vs Spells who's check is wisdom. Con would be concentration checks as well some knockdown and poison.

So Wisdom and Dex are perhaps the best choices. Since reflex is the most common determination of physical checks and wisdom of casters

i think that you for some reason believe that proficiency is somehow only tied to skill checks. it isn't. it's a level based bonus that any character gets to add to anything they do (skill checks, saving throws, weapon attacks) if they are proficient in said thing.

if you're proficient in a skill then when doing said skill check you add your proficiency bonus.
if you're proficient in a saving throw then when doing said saving throw you add your proficiency bonus.
and "resilient" grants proficiecny in saving throws of a selected attribute (in this case wisdom).

proficiency is not something that is exclusive to skill checks.

[[TAW] Derisat Hartfelt]

Originally posted by Angarvin:

Originally posted by TAW Derisat Hartfelt:

wouldnt that mean that taking it in Int would give a proff in all knowledge skills? it didnt give me Int proff in knowledge or investigation skills at all. However it gave me a boost on an Int saving throw vs psionics.

Saving Throws is not Skill Checks. if taken in wisdom it wont give you a bonus on nature checks or perception checks but it will on Saving Throws vs Spells who's check is wisdom. Con would be concentration checks as well some knockdown and poison.

So Wisdom and Dex are perhaps the best choices. Since reflex is the most common determination of physical checks and wisdom of casters

i think that you for some reason believe that proficiency is somehow only tied to skill checks. it isn't. it's a level based bonus that any character gets to add to anything they do (skill checks, saving throws, weapon attacks) if they are proficient in said thing.

if you're proficient in a skill then when doing said skill check you add your proficiency bonus.
if you're proficient in a saving throw then when doing said saving throw you add your proficiency bonus.
and "resilient" grants proficiecny in saving throws of a selected attribute (in this case wisdom).

proficiency is not something that is exclusive to skill checks.

You're missing the point, people were assuming the feat gave proff in the skills of the stat, But it doesnt, it gives bonuses to the SAVING throws of the chosen stat. I don't know whats so ahrd for someone to grasp about that. Other wise it'd be the strongest feat for checks in the game and majorly OP. When you get a proff in a skill you get a bonus to it. we know this. Taking the feat in Intelligence does not give a bonus to insight, and knowledges etc.. which PROVES it does not give proff to all associated stat SKILLS. It does however, as it states, give bonuses to the SAVING THROWS, which is an entirely different ball of wax.

People wrongly assume it gives a bonus to all rolls of all kinds of that stat, attacks, skill checks and saving throws.

It specifically only benefits SAVING THROWS It's easy enough to test. Throw down a savefile, take the feat in something you don't have a proff in, and go and find a SKILL CHECK for that stat, it won't get a boost. But you'll notice in the dice math it would give a bonus on SAVING THROWS. REFLEX isnt a skill, it's a DEX save, Charm Person is a WIS save, Banishment is a CHA savem Gust of Wind is a STR save, where as Thunder Wave is a CON save.
Knowledge Nature is a SKILL CHECK, not a save. Perception is a SKILL CHECK not a SAVING THROW.

It cant be any clearer

The feat gives

"You Increase an Ability by 1, to a maximum of 20, and gain Proficiency in that Ability's Saving Throws."

verbatim.

Proficiency in that Ability's Saving Throws.

IS NOT

Proficiency in that Ability's Skill Checks.

and you can stack Proficiency to get more additive bonuses, so a Cleric taking it in Wisdom will get an additional bonus on Wisdom saving throws on top of the class Primary stat bonus

[Angarvin]

Originally posted by TAW Derisat Hartfelt:

You're missing the point, people were assuming the feat gave proff in the skills of the stat,

i think you're the only person who did that. you're literally the only person who mentioned skill checks. that's why i went to correct you.

Originally posted by TAW Derisat Hartfelt:

it gives bonuses to the SAVING throws of the chosen stat. I don't know whats so ahrd for someone to grasp about that. Other wise it'd be the strongest feat for checks in the game and majorly OP. When you get a proff in a skill you get a bonus to it. we know this. Taking the feat in Intelligence does not give a bonus to insight, and knowledges etc.. which PROVES it does not give proff to all associated stat SKILLS. It does however, as it states, give bonuses to the SAVING THROWS, which is an entirely different ball of wax.

this is correct. it gives proficiency in chosen atribute's saving throw. it's what i said 3 times now and i am sure glad you get what the feat does. i however do not know why you think it doesn't work or why you conflict the terms proficiency and saving throw.

here it is again if you misremember what you wrote for some reason:

Originally posted by TAW Derisat Hartfelt:

it's not profficiencies it's saving throws isnt it?. different. Wisdom saving throw vs wisdom proff is different. Not all saving throws are skill checks. they are spell checks