Tavern Brawler

[puksone]

Nerf asap

[HermitKermit]

want to explain reasoning behind this? if you are hitting too hard as a monk, try using other weapons they are proficient in that do not let you get the free unarmed attack- like greatclub.

[puksone]

Originally posted by HermitKermit:

want to explain reasoning behind this? if you are hitting too hard as a monk, try using other weapons they are proficient in that do not let you get the free unarmed attack- like greatclub.

It adds str to attack and damage. It's ridiculous. It's crazy for thrown builds as well.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

What does Tavern Brawler do?

[Taz3rrrFac3]

Sooo... You want to remove fun from the game?
If a Greataxe can hit for over 25+ points of damage why shouldn't a monk be able to?

[fox]

Yeah nerf it. I have no plans to play monk but it would bother me to see some scrub using fists doing the same damage as my huge axe.

[Jivebot]

Does it even work for a Monk? If you're building your Monk right your Dex is higher than your STR, and Monks get weapon finesse which automatically makes you use Dex for unarmed damage if it's higher than Str.

And Tavern Brawler only boosts your strength bonus if I read it right.

That's why I skipped it.

[Augustine]

there are bracers of dex so i think as a tb monk u dump dex and all in on str. you get 20 str and 18 dex and have very good damage without losing defense. It might be a top tier melee striker option, but there are probably stronger builds.

[Veg]

pls also put invisible walls around lava so it cant be used to instant win. And get rid of two leveled spells per turn. Also could you make sure I damage an ally on a natural one. Oh and could you remove the quick load button. Also disable fast travel please

[Veg]

Originally posted by Jivebot:

Does it even work for a Monk? If you're building your Monk right your Dex is higher than your STR, and Monks get weapon finesse which automatically makes you use Dex for unarmed damage if it's higher than Str.

And Tavern Brawler only boosts your strength bonus if I read it right.

That's why I skipped it.

Strength monks are not only viable, they are the better way to build.

[Taz3rrrFac3]

Originally posted by Jivebot:

Does it even work for a Monk? If you're building your Monk right your Dex is higher than your STR, and Monks get weapon finesse which automatically makes you use Dex for unarmed damage if it's higher than Str.

And Tavern Brawler only boosts your strength bonus if I read it right.

That's why I skipped it.

It works if you go strength monk like I did, and multiclass with Barb :)
Currently only lvl 7 but it feels pretty damn good. Once I hit 7 I multiclassed into Barb. Then forgo some Dex/Wis added it to Con. Currently sitting at Str20 (Found a nifty thing to help get it there) 13Dex, 16Con, 8Int, 12Wis, 8Char. Having a lot of fun with the build so far. Even with the TB Feat, and 18Str. Damage was decent at 9-14 a hit with just fisticuffs.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

What does Tavern Brawler do?

When you make an unarmed attack, use an improvised weapon, or throw something, your strength modifier is added twice to the damage and Attack Roll Attack Rolls.

So monks just get a free double str modifier.

I dunno, I'm just happy to have Berserker Karlach throwing her inventory of axes at people really hard.

And sometimes furniture for fun.

Or gnomes when available. Ohhhh man, I should have Gale summon familiars for her to throw. I'm a monster.

[Brother Squigger]

TL;DR If you have 17 Strength at character creation and take Tavern Brawler as your 4th level feat, you raise your effective Strength when determining chance to hit/damage to 26. If 9 points of Strength for one feat isn't enough to convince you, I don't know what would.

Tavern Brawler is absolutely busted. A hidden +1 to Strength on top of these insane effects is just way too much for a singular feat. This essentially turns 20 Strength into 30 Strength for unarmed, improvised, and thrown weapons, which results in an absurd chance to hit as well as bonkers damage. I understand it might seem "not fun" to tweak it, but essentially makes martials only want to build around this feat. Great Weapon Master and Sharpshooter, the typical picks for people using that type of weaponry in 5e, are actually pointless to pick, which is actually extremely impressive that they manage to make something so powerful it nullifies them both.

Attacking at range? Use Tavern Brawler. Not only do javelins seem to not follow any sort of rules about range resulting in disadvantage, they also bafflingly benefit from falling damage. You cannot convince me that this is a feature that should work this way as physics suddenly mattering should not be a thing. Especially after testing with a 50 pound heavy chest that literally did 1 damage from a 20 foot drop-throw onto a minotaur. Why on earth would you take a -5 to hit/+10 damage when you can do essentially the same damage with no risk at the same ranges?

You want to be in melee? Why? If you want to do big damage with Strength, there's no better way than to do it with throwing javelins. If you go Frenzy Barbarian, you can do 3 of these devastating tosses by level 5, requiring you to only just carry a bunch of them. Great Weapon Master? Again, there's no point. The massive damage here makes the terrible risks you put yourself in against extremely dangerous creatures in melee not worth it at all. The -5/+10 again don't at all justify picking. Just do the same if not more damage (especially from high ground) at range. Terribly lame design.

I simply disagree with anyone claiming this isn't too powerful, the facts do not back up this claim. God forbid you also stack the multiple items put in the game for additional d4s to thrown weapons.

And if you don't throw things? Well, it's absolutely dumb not to do it, that's for sure, but this is even crazy good if you just unarmed strike. Every single Monk should get the hell out of Monk as quickly as possible. Take a level dip to get the bonus action punch and leave to Barbarian. You may not be doing as much damage as a Great Weapon Master barbarian, but it's damn near close and if you factor in how much you'll probably miss, I would argue you probably are doing the same if not more. You have to remember you'd be punching at advantage with a double your strength modifier to hit instead of a huge -5 penalty.

I have no idea why Tavern Brawler was implemented this way and then feats like Shield Master are put in the game, which lost its most useful effect from 5e, which is a bonus action attempt to shove a target prone. This is a glaring, GLARING disparity in power.

[doublejesus]

Great weapon master barbarian auto crits for 30-60 damage with admantine sword and gets 6 attacks with GWM, speed potion or haste and a bloodlust elixer.

Thief rogue can solo entire encounters with the athlete feat of all things because it abuses ai navmesh. It turns out when you can jump to crazy places ai cant reach and hide there they just stand around yelling at you.

Performance gives you gold for free!

Sentinel and polearm master let you cuck enemies and enforce social distancing mandates.

[Silberfuchs]

Having broken stuff in the game is fine, as long as it's the entertaining sort of broken.
And tossing around gnomes is hella entertaining.

Never forget that we are talking about a singleplayer game, the worst that can happen is you yourself ruining your own game by winning every fight with broken mechanics.

Some folks enjoy this, others can just NOT use the broken stuff.

[Mathias Giovanni]

Originally posted by doublejesus:

Sentinel and polearm master let you cuck enemies and enforce social distancing mandates.

ROFL, best line of the day on the forum.