Should wizard spell slots be restored with short rest?

[Mr.Mage]

Personally i find wizard to be fantastic. But, only for a short time.

The wizard excels in short combat with their high damage output (especially on evocation), harbouring many types of spells to deal with certain situations. One situation the wizard cannot deal with, is prolonged battles.

As soon as spell slots run out, can-trips are mid and miss all the time, then a full rest is required to be useful again and can be tedious to do after every battle[

I think a short rest would benefit wizard, but if too powerful, can only replenish half of lvi 1, 2 and 1 slot for 3. In addition, the arcane recovery replenish all slots instead of 1.

let me know what you guys think.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Absolutely not.

If you want spell slots to come back on a short rest, play a warlock. There's a reason why for most of their career they only have at most two slots at a time.

[Jaggid Edje]

Do I think it would be nice? For sure, I'd actually be willing to play a Wizard if that's how they worked in DnD. I hate Wizards (and most other spellcasters) in the DnD ruleset because of the whole spell-slots recovered on long rest thing.

The problem is that if that was how Wizards worked, then Warlocks would need one hell of a makeover to make them worth playing.

Heck, no other class would be as attractive as a Wizard at that point, especially in the tabletop game where the only actual limitation on short rests is that there are only 24 hours in a day (that and being somewhere safe to do it).

[HozzMidnight]

Wizard in this game is way better than wizard in most D20 derived games because they let you change prepared spells on the fly as long as you are out of combat. That was a huge reason to play Sorc, not having to guess what spells you would need. Here Sorc gets metamagic and Wizard gets on demand access to basically any spell you want to scribe.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

That's the downside to playing a Wiztard.

Play a Warlock instead.

[Tsuru]

Sounds like a new person problem when it comes to dnd. Everyone wants to blow all their spells on 1 fight. Sure thats a good way to get through a fight fast. But overall, thats a very inefficient way to play a spellcaster in dnd.

[Recjawjind]

♥♥♥♥ no.
Wizards are already insanely good as is.
If you want spell slots on a short rest, play warlock.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

I played D&D with an alternate rule to spell slots:

Wizards 'memorized' a number of spells equal to their 'known' spells.

When they cast the spell, there was a chance they might forget it, which was equal to 10 + the level of the spell but they got to add Int mod + Arcana. If they didn't forget it then they could continue to cast it as many times as they wanted to, rolling to see if they "forgot" the spell each time they cast it. I might impose other situational modifiers as well depending on circumstances.

If a spell was "forgotten", it could be rememorized by studying the spell from the spellbook. Only spells copied to the spellbook could be memorized (don't lose your spellbook!) Memorizing a spell required 1 hr per level of spell up to lvl 5, and 1 day per level of spell from levels 6 to 9 and could only occur during a rest period (or during "cloisteted study" for 6th+ level spells).

This removed the resource management aspect, and allowed Wizards to go hog wild with all kinds of spells...up until they inevitably forgot the spell on a bad roll and it was no longer accessible until they had a chance to regain it. A well prepared Wizard would have backup spells memorized precisely for this reason...

[Stoibs]

Originally posted by HozzMidnight:

Wizard in this game is way better than wizard in most D20 derived games because they let you change prepared spells on the fly as long as you are out of combat. That was a huge reason to play Sorc, not having to guess what spells you would need. Here Sorc gets metamagic and Wizard gets on demand access to basically any spell you want to scribe.

Right - that confuses the hell out of me.

I'm unfamiliar with Mages in 5E (Mostly have knowledge of Baldur's Gate 2nd edition and Pathfinder 3.5 where memorization at Sleep was required) but is this normal rules as written? Or is this a curious change in this video game specifically?
Totally feel like Sorcs I agree.

[Subset6]

omfg hell no, wiz/sorc are so nuts... yah.. screen clearing nuts at around level 6. They do start out a little weak but become masters of the universe in short order.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Oh, that's definitely not rules as written for tabletop. 5E, rules as written, all prepared spellcasters prepare at a long rest.

One of the playtests for One D&D had a proposed wizard-only spell that would let them swap out one prepared spell, and that was controversial on Reddit.

[Witchdoctor`]

You do understand that it will lead to only wizard parties because of how OP some spells are? Alternatively, they will need to nerf every spell heavily so they will not outperform other classes, either way its a bad idea, dont try to be smarter than the dudes who made this system

[Stoibs]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

Oh, that's definitely not rules as written for tabletop. 5E, rules as written, all prepared spellcasters prepare at a long rest.

One of the playtests for One D&D had a proposed wizard-only spell that would let them swap out one prepared spell, and that was controversial on Reddit.

Glad I'm not going crazy

Took me a while staring at my spellbook trying to figure out what I was doing since it is so alien from BG1+2/Pathfinder.

[Drake]

Spells slots are only an issue at early levels. The wizard is a late bloomer, always has been. Stick to cantrips, they work fine for early game.