Baldur's Gate 3

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Memnon Aug 6, 2023 @ 3:51pm
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Rolls are rigged
Karmic dice is the version where they tell you they diddle the rolls, but it's to somehow "avoid failure streaks". The truth is rolls are rigged in both modes, depending on the situation. You'll notice incredibly high rate of low rolls for your party during combat, but the same trend won't apply to enemies, especially when they're setting up early in the fight. This is with "karmic" dice on or off. Have a few inspirations you've been holding onto for a while? Instead, hold these consecutive DC-1 rolls until you've used them all up (only then will you succeed the last roll).

Anyone denying this is a sycophant for Larian and other CRPG devs that do this. It's a business decision on their part to give the illusion of difficulty in their games. How else can they make 3 different modes that actually differ in challenge if not by manipulating rolls? You think they're going to leave that to chance? The extra enemies and "improved" ai don't account for the blatant manipulation in this game. You want to rig your rolls? Just be upfront about it and say it's necessary to balance your game. Lies by omission get called out.

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Totally organic dice rolls, btw. [imgur.com] :cozypoechris:
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Gienah Corvi Aug 6, 2023 @ 3:53pm 
Hints of a Calimshan expansion.
Nomad Aug 6, 2023 @ 4:15pm 
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No, you are seeing a pattern where there are none.

They are not loaded. I am experiencing quite the opposite. I am blasting my foes left and right while they keep missing. I feel like a god among mortals in many fights. Been doing just fine on rolls in conversations too. Almost always having 2-4 inspirations as backup.

You are just seeing a result you do not like and drawing a false conclusion. This is why many companies make "random" not truly random, people will see a pattern that does not exist and complain.

Exactly why Karmic dice are a thing, it's for people like you.
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Memnon Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:00pm 
Originally posted by Nomad:
No, you are seeing a pattern where there are none.
How certain of this are you? Do you think there might be some bias in your statement here? Aren't you supposed to back this up with adequate sample data? People are so quick to point out a lack of sample data to prove manipulation but rarely provide the same to debunk it.

Your experience is every bit as subjective as mine, so in the end I can only rely on what I've seen in this game. I let the game run for damn near half hour to see how long it would take for 'Rotting Flesh' condition to clear on its own. This is just one example where the game forces situations on you to fit the intended gameplay in an area (swamp, in this case). I'm winning fights almost entirely due to prepping and gaming the combat system... barely on rolls, whereas the AI is getting insane rolls consistently to guarantee its scripted strategy.

I disabled karmic dice (and won't be turning it back on) but everything I'm seeing screams dice manipulation in this game.
AH-1 Cobra Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:02pm 
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It's not unprecedented for developers to secretly fudge the numbers, but it's impossible to prove until someone data mines the game. You can't prove it with "I feel".
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thawn4444 Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:03pm 
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Originally posted by Memnon:
Karmic dice is the version where they tell you they diddle the rolls, but it's to somehow "avoid failure streaks". The truth is rolls are rigged in both modes, depending on the situation. You'll notice incredibly high rate of low rolls for your party during combat, but the same trend won't apply to enemies, especially when they're setting up early in the fight. This is with "karmic" dice on or off. Have a few inspirations you've been holding onto for a while? Instead, hold these consecutive DC-1 rolls until you've used them all up (only then will you succeed the last roll).

Anyone denying this is a sycophant for Larian and other CRPG devs that do this. It's a business decision on their part to give the illusion of difficulty in their games. How else can they make 3 different modes that actually differ in challenge if not by manipulating rolls? You think they're going to leave that to chance? The extra enemies and "improved" ai don't account for the blatant manipulation in this game. You want to rig your rolls? Just be upfront about it and say it's necessary to balance your game. Lies by omission get called out.

yeah no dude, you need datasets in the millions to see if a program is rolling just a 6 sided dice true random. . . .much more for a 20 sided one.

so your opinion means jack all.


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BarcaS Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:03pm 
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You didn't provide any evidence for your claims. So, you are in no position to ask of others to disprove them.
Sceles Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:04pm 
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People like you are the reason why karmic dice exists in the first place.

People who blame bad luck on the game and rigged rolls.
Chaosolous Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:05pm 
Originally posted by BarcaS:
You didn't provide any evidence for your claims. So, you are in no position to ask of others to disprove them.
Memnon Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:07pm 
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I've heard it all before, folks. I'm going to finish this game despite the bs, but just thought I'd share the truth with you all. :steamthumbsup:
CiZerin Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:09pm 
Dude if you can't handle dices just use spells with no hit rolls like magic arrow or spells with halfed dmg on miss.
AH-1 Cobra Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:09pm 
Originally posted by Memnon:
I've heard it all before, folks. I'm going to finish this game despite the bs, but just thought I'd share the truth with you all. :steamthumbsup:

Get back once you got real data from data mines of the game proving this.
Cyrus Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:12pm 
BG3 uses seeds just like wotr, and solasta, and other games as it's easy and cheap. When a seed gets stuck it will fail to roll properly on both sides. I have it get stuck myself (8 string of critical failures back to back),while my opponent crit 7 times in a row. Hopefully mods fix it
Kyutaru Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:12pm 
No, the game isn't rigged, it's just you. My characters have 19 AC and barely ever get hit.
AH-1 Cobra Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:18pm 
I'm not against fudging the numbers, if it's done in a way to prevent streaks in both hitting and missing for example. That way short term averages (1 battle) would still be closer to the real average vs things wildly going one way or another in any particular battle.
Norbac Aug 6, 2023 @ 6:23pm 
Originally posted by Memnon:
Karmic dice is the version where they tell you they diddle the rolls, but it's to somehow "avoid failure streaks". The truth is rolls are rigged in both modes, depending on the situation. You'll notice incredibly high rate of low rolls for your party during combat, but the same trend won't apply to enemies, especially when they're setting up early in the fight. This is with "karmic" dice on or off. Have a few inspirations you've been holding onto for a while? Instead, hold these consecutive DC-1 rolls until you've used them all up (only then will you succeed the last roll).

Anyone denying this is a sycophant for Larian and other CRPG devs that do this. It's a business decision on their part to give the illusion of difficulty in their games. How else can they make 3 different modes that actually differ in challenge if not by manipulating rolls? You think they're going to leave that to chance? The extra enemies and "improved" ai don't account for the blatant manipulation in this game. You want to rig your rolls? Just be upfront about it and say it's necessary to balance your game. Lies by omission get called out.

This seems to be the case.
Karmic dice is off in my game, I was trying to pickpocket and kept getting critical failures over and over. The same outcome no matter what I did.

Eventually stopped and why bother pickpocketing anymore.
If I get caught, I have to save scum over and over so I know who can't be stolen.
If I get caught, paying is more expensive than what i'm stealing.
If I get caught, I have to fight my way out and might as well just start the fights head on.
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