Not For Modern MMO or RPG Players

[delphaeus]

If you have enjoyed playing MMO's like WoW or RPG's like Dragon Age, this game is going to frustrate the hell out of you. Have you ever hated loot boxes with random number generators (RNG)? This game is not for you because literally every encounter is packed full of RNG. Do you like gambling with dice? Then ok, go for it and more power to you.

The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface. Forget about WASD with a right click camera. Doesn't NOT exist. The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around.

The pace is suuuuper slow, And that's ok when it comes to turn based combat. I get it. I love Civ series and turn based is fine. But for a RPG of this type? Nah. You just end up feeling like it takes forever to get anywhere or do anything.

In summary: The game is simply gambling with dice while you constantly misclick things

[Zef]

"The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface. Forget about WASD with a right click camera. Doesn't NOT exist. The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around."

Wrong, if you use a controller you can move around the camera like this.

It's funny that you mention Dragon Age, because besides DAO using RTWP instead of turn based the games are very very similar in scope and ability.

[Yale]

Originally posted by Zef:

Wrong, if you use a controller you can move around the camera like this.

Of course. It's a console-first game after all.

[Ichi]

Funny i normally complain about a RPG not having enough choices and dialogue. I am not a fan of turn based combat and would love it if Bethesda games would come close to the amount of dialogue but alas. So i can overlook it and i really like it so far. It kinda reminds me of fallout 1.

[wtiger27]

I am not in the least concerned about the pace of the game. I have close to 30 hrs in the full version Act 1 and still have most of the Underdark to do. My char is level 5.

And the fact BG3 is not a MMO, is one reason I am really enjoying it. The rng for loot? No issue at all. Makes it more interesting. It does hurt the Youtubers guildies from posting go here to get this. But there are quests which give a certain reward.

The UI is how it is suppose to be. It's combat is a tactical turn base type. You can't compare it to WoW.

I disagree with every negative point you made about the game. It's not the game you are looking for. Move on.

[delphaeus]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

I am not in the least concerned about the pace of the game. I have close to 30 hrs in the full version Act 1 and still have most of the Underdark to do. My char is level 5.

And the fact BG3 is not a MMO, is one reason I am really enjoying it. The rng for loot? No issue at all. Makes it more interesting. It does hurt the Youtubers guildies from posting go here to get this. But there are quests which give a certain reward.

The UI is how it is suppose to be. It's combat is a tactical turn base type. You can't compare it to WoW.

I disagree with every negative point you made about the game. It's not the game you are looking for. Move on.

Fair enough. Enjoy. There is so much good content in this game it's a shame that they did not make it more accessible to a wider audience.

[リンドン]

Originally posted by Zef:

"The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface. Forget about WASD with a right click camera. Doesn't NOT exist. The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around."

Wrong, if you use a controller you can move around the camera like this.

It's funny that you mention Dragon Age, because besides DAO using RTWP instead of turn based the games are very very similar in scope and ability.

"besides these key things: fun gameplay, good game, they're basically the same thing"
Huh

[juppsen]

Originally posted by delphaeus:

If you have enjoyed playing MMO's like WoW[...]

Yeah, and if you like a driver simulation, that game isn´t for you, too! BG3 isn´t an MMO, it´s a DnD based CRPG!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

[...] or RPG's like Dragon Age, this game is going to frustrate the hell out of you.

I played all Dragon Age games, Origins is one of my favorite games ever made. I loved it and still do. But BG3 seems to be better for me, even I prefare the companions from DAO.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

Do you like gambling with dice? Then ok, go for it and more power to you.

It´s a DnD Game, of course there are dice involved. It´s your mistake, if you weren´t informed about that. If you don´t like it, that´s totally fine. But I don´t blame Fifa to use balls!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface.

Again, you should have known that before. I did and I love it!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around.

I love the camera, the UI and the movement! Again: It´s not an MMO or a Witcher Game!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

[...]and turn based is fine. But for a RPG of this type? Nah.

Solasta and BG3 did a perfect job to give us DnD in a video game. If you don´t like it, don´t buy it, don´t play it!

[Nix]

Originally posted by delphaeus:

If you have enjoyed playing MMO's like WoW or RPG's like Dragon Age, this game is going to frustrate the hell out of you.

I played and enjoyed them all, I still love BG3, also there is no comparison between the games you mentioned, they are different in every possible way.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface. Forget about WASD with a right click camera. Doesn't NOT exist. The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around.

WASD are literally the default keys to move the camera around and you just click where you want your party to go. If that confuses you... I really don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The pace is suuuuper slow, And that's ok when it comes to turn based combat. I get it. I love Civ series and turn based is fine. But for a RPG of this type? Nah. You just end up feeling like it takes forever to get anywhere or do anything.

Another comparison that shouldn't exist:
Civ its a 4x/management game that tasks you with choosing a given set of limited choices, this is an entire world that offers you the freedom to approach situations the way you want, you need time to observe and act carefully.
Also "an RPG of this type" it's what gave birth to the rpg genre, Role Playing Game means exactly that... immerse yourself in a world in every way, doesn't mean get in there and mindlessly slay everything that moves, except you can still do that if that's your dream.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

In summary: The game is simply gambling with dice while you constantly misclick things

I spent almost 20 hrs in and only clicked twice, by accident, on a teammate instead of where I wanted to.
"gambling" with dice it's the foundations of DnD, why would you even buy a DnD based game if you don't like the concept of dice rolls?
This game it's too complex for you, and that's fine, but you are doing the equivalent of buying DOOM eternal complaining that there is no turn based combat.

Next time, before buying a game, do more research on what kind of product it is.

[Mad Max]

If you're a Counter Strike or TF2 player, then this game is definitely not for you.

[superlloyd]

Man, you should just eat different mushroom. You're doing a bad trip right now, lol!

[Zef]

Originally posted by リンドン:

Originally posted by Zef:

"The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface. Forget about WASD with a right click camera. Doesn't NOT exist. The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around."

Wrong, if you use a controller you can move around the camera like this.

It's funny that you mention Dragon Age, because besides DAO using RTWP instead of turn based the games are very very similar in scope and ability.

"besides these key things: fun gameplay, good game, they're basically the same thing"
Huh

Lmao.

RTWP combat is ♥♥♥♥, i hated it in BG2 and i hated it in DAO. The only reason i played DAO was because of the companions. The story in DAO was also cooky cutter high fantasy trope (archdemon and darkspawn hordes).

BG3's combat and overarching story is superiour, DAO has better companions though.

[-RAISTLIN-]

Noobs gonna noob.

[Ne[M]esis]

no you don't deserve a jester award, I've already left too many today

[delphaeus]

Originally posted by juppsen:

Originally posted by delphaeus:

If you have enjoyed playing MMO's like WoW[...]

Yeah, and if you like a driver simulation, that game isn´t for you, too! BG3 isn´t an MMO, it´s a DnD based CRPG!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

[...] or RPG's like Dragon Age, this game is going to frustrate the hell out of you.

I played all Dragon Age games, Origins is one of my favorite games ever made. I loved it and still do. But BG3 seems to be better for me, even I prefare the companions from DAO.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

Do you like gambling with dice? Then ok, go for it and more power to you.

It´s a DnD Game, of course there are dice involved. It´s your mistake, if you weren´t informed about that. If you don´t like it, that´s totally fine. But I don´t blame Fifa to use balls!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface.

Again, you should have known that before. I did and I love it!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around.

I love the camera, the UI and the movement! Again: It´s not an MMO or a Witcher Game!

Originally posted by delphaeus:

[...]and turn based is fine. But for a RPG of this type? Nah.

Solasta and BG3 did a perfect job to give us DnD in a video game. If you don´t like it, don´t buy it, don´t play it!

You are obviously not in the demo of who I wrote my review for. You dig it, cool! Enjoy your RNG point and misclick slog. If you like it and are having fun, great! I think it could be a lot better with implementing modern mechanics. DnD nerds gotta rage.

[delphaeus]

Originally posted by Nix:

Originally posted by delphaeus:

If you have enjoyed playing MMO's like WoW or RPG's like Dragon Age, this game is going to frustrate the hell out of you.

I played and enjoyed them all, I still love BG3, also there is no comparison between the games you mentioned, they are different in every possible way.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The other massive negative is this top down isometric point and click interface. Forget about WASD with a right click camera. Doesn't NOT exist. The camera controls are so clunky that it's a major effort just moving around.

WASD are literally the default keys to move the camera around and you just click where you want your party to go. If that confuses you... I really don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

The pace is suuuuper slow, And that's ok when it comes to turn based combat. I get it. I love Civ series and turn based is fine. But for a RPG of this type? Nah. You just end up feeling like it takes forever to get anywhere or do anything.

Another comparison that shouldn't exist:
Civ its a 4x/management game that tasks you with choosing a given set of limited choices, this is an entire world that offers you the freedom to approach situations the way you want, you need time to observe and act carefully.
Also "an RPG of this type" it's what gave birth to the rpg genre, Role Playing Game means exactly that... immerse yourself in a world in every way, doesn't mean get in there and mindlessly slay everything that moves, except you can still do that if that's your dream.

Originally posted by delphaeus:

In summary: The game is simply gambling with dice while you constantly misclick things

I spent almost 20 hrs in and only clicked twice, by accident, on a teammate instead of where I wanted to.
"gambling" with dice it's the foundations of DnD, why would you even buy a DnD based game if you don't like the concept of dice rolls?
This game it's too complex for you, and that's fine, but you are doing the equivalent of buying DOOM eternal complaining that there is no turn based combat.

Next time, before buying a game, do more research on what kind of product it is.

There is a dearth of options available at the moment and this game is VERY highly reviewed so it was worth the gamble. I'm not asking for a refund. I'm just stating my disappointment that this game did not live up to the hype that *I* expected.