Baldur's Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3

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Did they really pull a Wrath of the Righteous?
Are almost all of the female companions evil? Why do they keep doing this?
Messaggio originale di Marcus Butthurticus:
Messaggio originale di That Dodogama:
Are almost all of the female companions evil? Why do they keep doing this?

I do not know why they tilted it like this. But there is barely any character in the roster that is friendly or nice. Gale is the closest I guess but he is a snarky ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in his own way. When Shadowheart come off as the least evil its wrong.
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Seelah - Good (horrible voice acting/writing, no romance)
Ember - Good (no romance so doesn't count per OP?)
Arueshalae - Neutral and can turn her good or evil depending on player choice
Nenio - Neutral
Camellia - Evil

Do you see his point now? The only good aligned romance is Arueshalae, and only if you turn a demon into a good entity (which is kind of a long-shot/unthinkable if you have any history with D&D). Other choices are nenio and camellia (evil).
Messaggio originale di Aldain:
Messaggio originale di Xhal:
WOTR female party members

Seelah - Good
Ember - Good
Arueshalae - Neutral and can turn her good or evil depending on player choice
Nenio - Neutral
Camellia - Evil

OP get your facts straight.
To be fair, Camellia is so terribly written that she counts for 3.

...But seriously she's a special kind of terrible writing, the worst kind of Chaotic Evil "I like killing people lul" brainlessness.

She isn't badly written.
She is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy.
My main critic of her is that the voice actress made her way too obvious right from the start.
Messaggio originale di BeelzeBob:

"The depths of Shar's evil were too extreme to be described by words. She was deeply twisted and perverse, a being of ceaseless, petty hate and envy. She plotted from the shadows to undermine all creation, reveling in the hidden and never to be revealed. Though she was not chaotic herself, like her sister was, Shar nonetheless sought to destroy all order. Even her own devoted worshipers were simply pawns in her overarching scheme against everything there ever was and ever would be."

You are talking to a wall man. I had this argument with him before and his opinion is "if it doesn't say it in a 5e source, every previous source is invald".
Messaggio originale di Patriot:
Messaggio originale di Deified Data:
you have to understand you sound delusional when you talk this way. "Everything I don't like is an ideological affront to me personally" lmao

I like good writing, which requires a solid understand of humans. Bad writing is an affront to me. Simple as.
You like good writing but are hating on BG3? I think you just convinced yourself that you are intelligent and have good taste, but are actually a pleb. People can tell.
Messaggio originale di Pnume:
Messaggio originale di Aldain:
To be fair, Camellia is so terribly written that she counts for 3.

...But seriously she's a special kind of terrible writing, the worst kind of Chaotic Evil "I like killing people lul" brainlessness.

She isn't badly written.
She is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy.
My main critic of her is that the voice actress made her way too obvious right from the start.
Her ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy is badly written in my eyes, comically unsubtle, lip licking when seeing blood, insanity isn't even entertaining, it's just the lowest bar people imagine when they hear "Chaotic Evil".
Ultima modifica da Aldain; 6 ago 2023, ore 15:30
the fact you are calling it "pulling a Wrath of the Rightous" confirms you are delusional and just looking for things that make you angry. there are 6 female companions in WoTR and out of those 6 only 2 are evil. just like how there are 3 female companions and only 1 is evil in BG3
Messaggio originale di リンドン:
Seelah - Good (horrible voice acting/writing, no romance)
Ember - Good (no romance so doesn't count per OP?)
Arueshalae - Neutral and can turn her good or evil depending on player choice
Nenio - Neutral
Camellia - Evil

Do you see his point now? The only good aligned romance is Arueshalae, and only if you turn a demon into a good entity (which is kind of a long-shot/unthinkable if you have any history with D&D). Other choices are nenio and camellia (evil).

You forgot:
Wendaug (evil, romanceable)
Aivu (good, nonromanceable)
Queen Galfrey (good, romanceable)
Delamere (risen wight, unromanceable)
All female.
Ultima modifica da DragynDance; 6 ago 2023, ore 15:31
Messaggio originale di That Dodogama:
Are almost all of the female companions evil? Why do they keep doing this?

It's more realistic this way. I'm kidding ladies, it's just a joke. These forums have gotten far too serious.
Messaggio originale di Mad Max:
Messaggio originale di That Dodogama:
Shadowheart is a cleric of Shar, an evil goddess, making her evil by definition.

But she isn't though. She gives you approval from helping people. If anything, she's Neutral.

She has lost her memories. She is a different person for the time being.
Messaggio originale di Maligner:
Messaggio originale di Mad Max:

But she isn't though. She gives you approval from helping people. If anything, she's Neutral.

She has lost her memories. She is a different person for the time being.

Man, I'm curious, how many people haven't completed her questline...
Messaggio originale di That Dodogama:
Messaggio originale di Patriot:

It's not that they're meant to be evil. This is simply how feminist view "strong independent women" bad writing through and through.
No, they're actually evil. The Drow is evil, the elf is a cleric of Shar, meaning she's evil. The githyanki is evil. The only potential exception is the tiefling barbarian, but I'm not sure.

Uhm no. Way to judge a book by its cover. Schindler was a Nazi, does that mean he was evil?

Don't judge based on surface level understanding. Critically think. Learn. Persuade them to do or be good, if they refuse, they leave, oh well.

I can guarantee Shadowheart is not evil, and there's more to her than being a Cleric of Shar.

I'm disappointed in your ignorance, please do better next time.
Messaggio originale di Ashy:
Messaggio originale di Patriot:
A well written Tomboy would be the female side-character in the Cradle series. Karlach should have been written as a male character plain and simple. As a rule of thumb if you write a female character and you can't see how it'd be written different if this were a male character you should have stuck with a male character. Otherwise you just have a women written as an inferior version of a man. It's rather disrespectful to women overall, and they do it too often in media these days.
That’s not good advice as it makes male the default and forces gender roles. Why don’t men have to exude masculinity or be replaced by women? Why not just make everyone a genderless question mark unless their sexual organs are relevant to the story? Cuz it’s fun to write unconventional people, not everyone has to behave exactly how you want them to behave.

Plus, this is a fantasy world and she’s not even human so gender roles aren’t even that big of a deal here.

Messaggio originale di His Divine Shadow:
There was one evil lady in wrath
The Queen’s kinda mean

If you write and you write him as a woman he would be better suited being replaced by a woman. I know what you may be thinking "Well then you don't want gay characters" no. I am gay writing a gay character doesn't mean writing them as a woman. You can have a tom boy, as I pointed to an example in Cradle, and you can write a man light in the loafers. However those are fine lines that are hard to write in, and mediocre writers often fail.
Messaggio originale di sevensided:
Messaggio originale di That Dodogama:
5e's a bigger mess than I thought.
"No, I'm not evil, it's just that the goddess I WORSHIP, and who's teachings I base my entire world view on. But I'm good. I just WORSHIP a hateful, murdering, monster for fun. That's all."

You're mistaken about what Shar is all about:

From Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide:
The dark twin of Selûne, Shar is the goddess of darkness, both in its physical form and as it exists in the minds and souls of mortals. People worship Shar as the goddess of night, secrets, loss, and forgetfulness. She represents pains hidden but not forgotten, and vengeances carefully nurtured away from the light. She is said to have the power to make folk forget their pain or become inured to a loss, and many people in distress pray to Shar for such a blessing. Shar is revered by those who must venture into dark places and so pray to her for protection, such as miners, as well as by those who have fallen into melancholy and despair, who wish to forget something, or who have lost something and wish to recover it. Priests drawn to serve Shar often nurture their own deep wounds or dark secrets, which in their minds makes them best suited to console those who suffer from a similar ill.
I don't think I'm actually mistaken about sharing.

"In order to become clergy within the church's organization, a supplicant had to undergo a test of faith and commitment to the faith. They were required to commit an act of horrific violence, often murder, against one of their loved ones.[25][4] This vile act—combined with the priest's unique name bestowed upon them by Shar—formed their Own Secret.[17][2]

To become a worshiper of Shar, the tests were less strenuous, but nonetheless involve performing acts that would be considered deplorable by kindhearted individuals. Any betrayal of the faith resulted in the swift death of the formerly-faithful.[3]

Potential recruits incapable of murder were not admitted, and would likely be killed. After a few months of displaying their willingness to join, new recruits have likely committed many murders.[18] "
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Church_of_Shar
The depths of Shar's evil were too extreme to be described by words. She was deeply twisted and perverse, a being of ceaseless, petty hate and envy. She plotted from the shadows to undermine all creation, reveling in the hidden and never to be revealed. Though she was not chaotic herself, like her sister was, Shar nonetheless sought to destroy all order.[6][4] Even her own devoted worshipers were simply pawns in her overarching scheme against everything there ever was and ever would be.[6]"

"Although Shar purported to be a healer, soothing the grief-stricken by letting them forget their woes, she was in truth a sadist, and enjoyed inflicting the pain of loss on her worshipers. Her alleged help was not release from that pain, but numbness to it, the acceptance of it as normal and the removal of any expectation otherwise. The Lady of Loss did not truly believe in healing grief, not even her own, but in harnessing it, in nurturing spite, nursing indignity, and reinforcing regret until minor slights, at least in her mind, become transgressions worthy of bitter vengeance.[6] [9] [35]"
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shar

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Messaggio originale di DragynDance:
Messaggio originale di リンドン:
Seelah - Good (horrible voice acting/writing, no romance)
Ember - Good (no romance so doesn't count per OP?)
Arueshalae - Neutral and can turn her good or evil depending on player choice
Nenio - Neutral
Camellia - Evil

Do you see his point now? The only good aligned romance is Arueshalae, and only if you turn a demon into a good entity (which is kind of a long-shot/unthinkable if you have any history with D&D). Other choices are nenio and camellia (evil).

You forgot:
Wendaug (evil, romanceable)
Aivu (good, nonromanceable)
Queen Galfrey (good, romanceable)
Delamere (risen wight, unromanceable)
All female.

I was just going off the original list. But Queen Galfrey is Lawful Stupid, not good.
Messaggio originale di That Dodogama:
Also, in 3.5, a cleric can't be True Neutral unless they worship a neutral god. They can only differ from they're god's alignment on one axis. So Shadowheart would still have to be any evil alignment, since Shar is Neutral Evil. Shadowheart couldn't be true neutral, so she would have to be lawful, neutral, or chaotic evil.

True Neutral does share an axis with Neutral Evil, the Law/Chaos axis. It's a perfectly acceptable alignment for a Sharran.

One assumes that, if they're in one of the branches with the murder graduation exam, that the TN Clerics had some evil bastards for family members.
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Data di pubblicazione: 6 ago 2023, ore 14:58
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