This game made warlocks too badass.

[Eldrin]

In actual D&D i rate warlocks at the very bottom and will never play one because i think they're crap.

I saw wyll do Eldrich Blast, that thing looks like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rail gun and if you get the push back evocation to it then it just looks 5x more epic. Shoot someone off a cliff 20x more epic.

For the first time ever i am considering a warlock.

[michael199310]

Publicado originalmente por Eldrin:

In actual D&D i rate warlocks at the very bottom and will never play one because i think they're crap.

I saw wyll do Eldrich Blast, that thing looks like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rail gun and if you get the push back evocation to it then it just looks 5x more epic. Shoot someone off a cliff 20x more epic.

For the first time ever i am considering a warlock.

You literally answered your own thought. You rated it poorly because you probably never tried anything creative with it and never leaned toward roleplaying the pact. And it doesn't help that people just laugh at Warlocks for doing a single thing, which is cantrip spam. Or you simply had bad DM, who didn't care enough to make it cool.

[Gregorovitch]

Publicado originalmente por Eldrin:

In actual D&D i rate warlocks at the very bottom and will never play one because i think they're crap.

I imagine table top games don't involve the kind of 3D environment shenanigans you get in BG3. So push back upgrade to Eldritch Blast is probably worth a lot more in BG3 with all the stuff you can push off cliffs and all.

[Quothe]

Publicado originalmente por Clientofwar:

Publicado originalmente por Eldrin:

In actual D&D i rate warlocks at the very bottom and will never play one because i think they're crap.

I saw wyll do Eldrich Blast, that thing looks like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rail gun and if you get the push back evocation to it then it just looks 5x more epic. Shoot someone off a cliff 20x more epic.

For the first time ever i am considering a warlock.

In actual D&D Warlocks are overpowered and hands down the coolest class in my opinion.

In D&D itself Warlocks eventually get the ability to add their Eldritch Blast to their melee attack. The way I made one is go a mix of Fighter and Warlock. You only want Warlock for the Eldritch Blast, get it around a 3d10 - 4d10ish. Then you spec the rest into Fighter and go with two handed weapons. You do melee dmg + your Eldritch Blast damage, it's ridiculously overpowered. On top of that you still can use your Eldritch blast as a ranged attack.

In Baldur's Gate 3, they aren't the best and take awhile to get good.

Uhhhh... Warlocks do not get to add eldritch blast to attacks. They get to add charisma to attack rolls with hexblade or cha to the damage of eldritch blast,, but nothing (outside of homebrew) lets you cast eldritch blast when you swing a weapon or shoot a bow/crossbow. The closest is warcaster which lets you cast eldritch blast instead of making an attack of opportunity. Warlocks are definitely not OP, not compared to what wizards or clerics can do.

[ShivaX]

In my opinion it captured them perfectly.
Eldritch Blast is badass and the rest of their kit is probably better off being another class entirely.

Perfect D&D implementation really.

[fox5s]

Publicado originalmente por Eldrin:

In actual D&D i rate warlocks at the very bottom and will never play one because i think they're crap.

What? I mean you are entitled to your opinion. But Eldritch Blast has always been a railgun. It's the literal reason you play a Warlock. To the point that if you aren't using Eldritch Blast EVERY turn, you better have a very good reason, or you are probably wasting your time. Anyone who muticlasses into Warlock actually runs into a similar dilemma. It's that good.

Now, I can completely understand disliking the class because Eldritch Blast is TOO good and crowds out all other options. And, therefore, makes Warlocks boring. But that's totally different from them being 'crap.'

[Quothe]

Publicado originalmente por fox5s:

Publicado originalmente por Eldrin:

In actual D&D i rate warlocks at the very bottom and will never play one because i think they're crap.

What? I mean you are entitled to your opinion. But Eldritch Blast has always been a railgun. It's the literal reason you play a Warlock. To the point that if you aren't using Eldritch Blast EVERY turn, you better have a very good reason, or you are probably wasting your time. Anyone who muticlasses into Warlock actually runs into a similar dilemma. It's that good.

Now, I can completely understand disliking the class because Eldritch Blast is TOO good and crowds out all other options. And, therefore, makes Warlocks boring. But that's totally different from them being 'crap.'

It really isn't that good. It's basically a heavy crossbow. So, it's good, but it's very easy to deal more damage or have better control options than EB. Sharpshooter/GWM both immediately come to mind, and if you have a magical weapon, a better damage type too (nothing resists magical physical outside of homebrew iirc).

[Khryst]

Publicado originalmente por Quothe:

Publicado originalmente por Clientofwar:

In actual D&D Warlocks are overpowered and hands down the coolest class in my opinion.

In D&D itself Warlocks eventually get the ability to add their Eldritch Blast to their melee attack. The way I made one is go a mix of Fighter and Warlock. You only want Warlock for the Eldritch Blast, get it around a 3d10 - 4d10ish. Then you spec the rest into Fighter and go with two handed weapons. You do melee dmg + your Eldritch Blast damage, it's ridiculously overpowered. On top of that you still can use your Eldritch blast as a ranged attack.

In Baldur's Gate 3, they aren't the best and take awhile to get good.

Uhhhh... Warlocks do not get to add eldritch blast to attacks. They get to add charisma to attack rolls with hexblade or cha to the damage of eldritch blast,, but nothing (outside of homebrew) lets you cast eldritch blast when you swing a weapon or shoot a bow/crossbow. The closest is warcaster which lets you cast eldritch blast instead of making an attack of opportunity. Warlocks are definitely not OP, not compared to what wizards or clerics can do.

it's a 3.5 thing for warlocks that let them do blasts in melee. or multiclass that allowed it, can't remember which atm.

you could also alter the "shape" of their blasts as well in older editions. Want to make it explode like a fireball? pierce like a beam? it wasn't just more "rays" like 5e has it. but actual changes to how it reacted. Which made them extremely good at dealing with various combat situations.

Either way though, 5e or older, Warlocks are strong when played properly. It just may not appeal or take more thought then people may initially want when looking at them initially since it seems like "spam ED" is all they do.

[CiZerin]

Publicado originalmente por Doxorn:

Warlock in BG3 is more OP than in D&D 5e because of Hex.
In D&D 5e Hex lasts only 1 hour. In D&D fight usually are spead out more so by the time the next fight happens it disappears.
In BG3 Hex lasts until long rest. Which is just so much better.

well, tbh I miss Hexblade’s Curse

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

There are four things I love about 'Locks:

Repelling Blast
Armor of Agathys
Hunger of Hadar
Devil's Sight

[CiZerin]

Publicado originalmente por Quothe:

Publicado originalmente por fox5s:

What? I mean you are entitled to your opinion. But Eldritch Blast has always been a railgun. It's the literal reason you play a Warlock. To the point that if you aren't using Eldritch Blast EVERY turn, you better have a very good reason, or you are probably wasting your time. Anyone who muticlasses into Warlock actually runs into a similar dilemma. It's that good.

Now, I can completely understand disliking the class because Eldritch Blast is TOO good and crowds out all other options. And, therefore, makes Warlocks boring. But that's totally different from them being 'crap.'

It really isn't that good. It's basically a heavy crossbow. So, it's good, but it's very easy to deal more damage or have better control options than EB. Sharpshooter/GWM both immediately come to mind, and if you have a magical weapon, a better damage type too (nothing resists magical physical outside of homebrew iirc).

BG3 Eldritch Blast is better than in DnD5e. Why? Because in BG3 you can cast spell as an Action and Bonus Action in same turn.
Sorlock/Fighter can do 6 Eldritch Blasts in one round.

[fox5s]

Publicado originalmente por Quothe:

It really isn't that good. It's basically a heavy crossbow. So, it's good, but it's very easy to deal more damage or have better control options than EB. Sharpshooter/GWM both immediately come to mind, and if you have a magical weapon, a better damage type too (nothing resists magical physical outside of homebrew iirc).

You forget that it upgrades as per your character level (not just your Class Level). IIRC at level 5 it turns into 2d10 and you have probably taken the invocation to add Cha to it if you took more than a single level dip.

Now, I'm not disagreeing that other classes can do more DPS. A Fighter with either of the Feats your mention do indeed come to mind. I'm just saying that it's such a good option with minimal work that it can make the class feel boring to some. The Warlock class is more interesting in what other class features you chose, how your GM treats the Patron (and your association with them), and what you do outside of combat. Because you can actually find variation there.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Publicado originalmente por CiZerin:

BG3 Eldritch Blast is better than in DnD5e. Why? Because in BG3 you can cast spell as an Action and Bonus Action in same turn.
Sorlock/Fighter can do 6 Eldritch Blasts in one round.

You can in 5E as well. The rule is just that if you cast a spell with a bonus action, the only other spell you cast on the same turn can be a cantrip with a casting time of one action. If you've got quickened metamagic, you can cast a one-action cantrip w/ an action and a quickened version of it as a bonus action. EB is a cantrip, so this is fine.

Never give a warlock the Illusionist's Bracers ("While wearing the bracers. whenever you cast a cantrip, you can use a bonus action on the same turn to cast that cantrip a second time.") unless you want him to go dakka.

[CiZerin]

Publicado originalmente por Sentient_Toaster:

Publicado originalmente por CiZerin:

BG3 Eldritch Blast is better than in DnD5e. Why? Because in BG3 you can cast spell as an Action and Bonus Action in same turn.
Sorlock/Fighter can do 6 Eldritch Blasts in one round.

You can in 5E as well. The rule is just that if you cast a spell with a bonus action, the only other spell you cast on the same turn can be a cantrip with a casting time of one action. If you've got quickened metamagic, you can cast a one-action cantrip w/ an action and a quickened version of it as a bonus action. EB is a cantrip, so this is fine.

Never give a warlock the Illusionist's Bracers ("While wearing the bracers. whenever you cast a cantrip, you can use a bonus action on the same turn to cast that cantrip a second time.") unless you want him to go dakka.

k, haven't playd DnD5e for a several years, guess I have fault memories ))

[Turkwise]

Have fun doing nothing but spamming eldritch blast for 100 hours

[droggen]

Right? I'm not really into magic but this game does something right because I'm thinking of playing a class with magic on a custom character.