Penalty for firing into melee?

[mph0023]

In 5e, there is a penalty for firing ranged weapons into melee as well as at melee range.

The latter seems to exist in BG3, as there's a feat to fix it. But what about just firing into melee?

[Mijj]

I don't understand the "firing into melee" do you mean a penalty to fire a range weapon to someone else away from you who is engaged in melee with an ally? There is no such thing in BG3

[Goatmanpig]

Originally posted by Mijj:

I don't understand the "firing into melee" do you mean a penalty to fire a range weapon to someone else away from you who is engaged in melee with an ally? There is no such thing in BG3

They're referring to firing a ranged weapon point blank/next to an enemy I think. In Pathfinder I think without certain feats it provokes a reaction but I don't think it does in BG3 or 5e

[Mathias Giovanni]

I believe there was a penalty that risks you hitting your own party member that is engaged.

You have less chance to hit. And on a crit fail may hit your own team.

No idea how 5e handles it or doesn’t. Haven’t played since 3rd and don’t remember the rules.

[mig-77]

Originally posted by Goatmanpig:

Originally posted by Mijj:

I don't understand the "firing into melee" do you mean a penalty to fire a range weapon to someone else away from you who is engaged in melee with an ally? There is no such thing in BG3

They're referring to firing a ranged weapon point blank/next to an enemy I think. In Pathfinder I think without certain feats it provokes a reaction but I don't think it does in BG3 or 5e

Firing in melee (point blank range) gives disadventage. Both in BG3 and in D&D

[Mr.PotatoFudge]

Originally posted by mph0023:

In 5e, there is a penalty for firing ranged weapons into melee as well as at melee range.

The latter seems to exist in BG3, as there's a feat to fix it. But what about just firing into melee?

You have disadvantage on the attack.

This isnt that big a deal because every single character seems to get shove as a bonus action/free action

So if your caster is getting ganked by some guy.
Shove them away. Chances are you have 1-3 of your own team all going on the same turn so you can switch over to the melee party tank. Shove the enemy 5 feet away (athletics check). Switch back to the caster and run 30 feet away.

[mph0023]

Originally posted by mig-77:

Originally posted by Goatmanpig:

They're referring to firing a ranged weapon point blank/next to an enemy I think. In Pathfinder I think without certain feats it provokes a reaction but I don't think it does in BG3 or 5e

Firing in melee (point blank range) gives disadventage. Both in BG3 and in D&D

No, I mean firing at someone who is engaged in melee, but you are not. Say your buddy the Barbarian is in melee with an orc. Can you shoot the orc without penalty? In table top D&D 5e, you cannot. It imposes disadvantage just like BEING in melee and shooting does.
D&D 5e also has cover rules, and BG3 does not. But BG3 has elevation rules*, and D&D 5e does not....So, I'm still unclear on exactly how they changed ranged rules for weapons and spells that require a ranged attack roll.

*+2 to hit if you're on high ground/-2 to hit if you're on low ground. Similar to DOS2.

[JonWoo]

Originally posted by mph0023:

Originally posted by mig-77:

Firing in melee (point blank range) gives disadventage. Both in BG3 and in D&D

No, I mean firing at someone who is engaged in melee, but you are not. Say your buddy the Barbarian is in melee with an orc. Can you shoot the orc without penalty? In table top D&D 5e, you cannot. It imposes disadvantage just like BEING in melee and shooting does.

There's no penalty for it in this.

But in 5e you don't get disadvantage, the target gets a varying degree of cover which is ruled on by the DM. Either 1/2 cover for +2 AC, 3/4 cover for +5 AC, or full cover which means you can't target them at all. You DO get disadvantage for firing while you're engaged in melee though, which the game does do.

[Dera]

That isn't a rule in 5e, except as a house rule the dm might make for their own use, definitely not official though. It is a rule in 3.5e and Pathfinder however, so you might be thinking of those systems.

[mig-77]

Originally posted by Dera:

That isn't a rule in 5e, except as a house rule the dm might make for their own use, definitely not official though. It is a rule in 3.5e and Pathfinder however, so you might be thinking of those systems.

Target may get cover tough (DM decision) in 5e