Elminster is White?

[Space Hamster Family]

I just got to act 2 and Elminster is a white man and alive. In the DnD movie he is black and his grandson said he had died. I thought this game was about diversity, I am confused.

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[fefnir3284]

Originally posted by Harathan:

Funny thing about DnD: You're allowed to imagine it your own way. That's kind of THE ENTIRE EFFING POINT of DnD. Hollywood imagined a black Elminster. Larian imagined a white one.

Complaining about it is gatekeeping at it's worst.

No it is not. The world is your imagination yes. The characters IN those is not. Elminster has always been and will always be white. Hollywood just blackwashed him for THE MESSAGE, like all the other flops they've been releasing.

[fluong]

Originally posted by Samael:

Originally posted by GigaDesu!:

They didn't min max their ESG score properly.

Blackrock's not gonna be happy.

Blackrock is not an investor in Larian.

[Murderhobo]

Originally posted by Space Hamster Family:

I just got to act 2 and Elminster is a white man and alive. In the DnD movie he is black and his grandson said he had died. I thought this game was about diversity, I am confused.

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He's always been. You can't have a black expy of Gandalf afterall until WoTC tells us to hold their beer.

[PocketYoda]

Thats what Elminster really looks like. Read a novel occasionally.

[DasWulf]

WoTC forgot to give him the Aragorn treatment it seems.

[TEMPLARIS]

The movie is Dogshyte. Elminster always has been white. Hollywierd pushes diversity quotas upon us and changes everything. Any time you see"diversity" its just anti white racism , period

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by fefnir3284:

No it is not. The world is your imagination yes. The characters IN those is not. Elminster has always been and will always be white. Hollywood just blackwashed him for THE MESSAGE, like all the other flops they've been releasing.

Elminster wasn't even in the movie. Simon's fears of inadequacy were represented by an Elminster in his head. Simon's imagination of what Elminster was like doesn't have to match anything about Elminster in Faerun - the movie made it quite clear he'd never met Elminster personally.

[Bony]

Originally posted by Morgian:

Elminster was always white in Faerun, the classic western fantasy wizard. The movie was Hollywood, where they give any role to anyone, if only to fill a quota, and the backgound of the character be damned. Remember the Three Musketeers with a japanese samurai among them...?

Or The Netflix-Witcher, where every village with 60 Inhabitants looks like it is a teleportation hub from all parts of the world.

[Metadigital]

It's not Elminster the WHITE, it's Elmisnter the WIZARD.

The important thing about this character is his class.

[Frostfeather]

In the movie, that older Sorcerer character is not credited as Elminster (the credits actually say "Sorcerer" as I recall), nor is there actually anything to conclusively say he is. It's possibly an older version of Simon or a manifestation or something.

As for his "death"... First, you should never take a character's word for it that someone is dead. And second, death doesn't mean much in D&D.

[fluong]

Filming for Honor Among Thieves started in 2021, five years after Baldur's Gate 3 started development. So Larian based their Elminster on the art Wizards of the Coast provided them.

There's an easy explanation for his portrayal in the movie, which I won't get into. But thinking about how Jesus has been (wrongfully) portrayed as white in the Roman Catholic, Protestant, Greek and Russian Orthodox churches, but non-white in Nestorian, Coptic, Syriac, and other non-Chalcedonian churches, I have no problem with Elminster being portrayed as black. Elminster is a legendary character, in a world where photography and colonialism do not exist. (Race is a social construct to justify colonialism (see the Council of Valladolid in 1550-1551)) People in Faerun might have heard of Elminster, but do not know what he looks like, beyond a general sketch (the hat, the beard, the robe). So they'll likely imagine him looking like they do. But otherwise, I see no reason why Elminster should be "white."

[wmb001]

D&D is all about imagination and how the characters that you create impact the world. Anyone can be anything that you choose.
Saying that, Elminster lives in an area of Faerun that is supposed to resemble Europe - Cormyr, Sembia The Dales.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Goilveig:

The movie takes place after this game. The game is set in 1492 DR and the main part of the movie takes place later that decade - definitely after 1496 DR.

So what, he got the black and changed color in the future?

[NovaMew]

Originally posted by Space Hamster Family:

Originally posted by Kan3da.:

Funny how you bigots always lack the balls to say what you really mean because you fear the consequences like wimps.

Originally posted by Kan3da.:

Funny how you bigots always lack the balls to say what you really mean because you fear the consequences like wimps.

i guess you are ok with a white man playing Black Panther, Diversity!

Look up marvels White tiger, aka Kevin Cole.

[Kyutaru]

Elminster is a Chosen of Mystra. He literally cannot die. Your first mistake was believing the fever dream of a kid.