The first quest of Karlach heavily goes against DnD lore and it really annoys me.

[SmashingQuasar]

So obviously spoilers ahead.

Even if demons pass themselves for paladins, they cannot use paladins power in the lore. You need to be bound by one of the oaths for that and they are not.

It's really annoying that Larian just went freestyle with the lore, especially since they were hellbent on going with 5th Ed' which - in my opinion - is by far the lesser TTRPG.

[RamzaBehoulve]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SmashingQuasar:

Oathbreakers cannot use regular paladin abilities, they use a specific set of abilities including necromancy spells. Zariel fake paladins use the Oath of Devotion abilities (IIRC).

Nope, you just lose Oath specific powers. You keep Lay on Hands, Divine Smite etc.

[Noctoculus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RamzaBehoulve:

Diposting pertama kali oleh SmashingQuasar:

Oathbreakers cannot use regular paladin abilities, they use a specific set of abilities including necromancy spells. Zariel fake paladins use the Oath of Devotion abilities (IIRC).

Nope, you just lose Oath specific powers. You keep Lay on Hands, Divine Smite etc.

Not arguing, but that's pretty terrible class lore.

[SmashingQuasar]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RamzaBehoulve:

Diposting pertama kali oleh SmashingQuasar:

Oathbreakers cannot use regular paladin abilities, they use a specific set of abilities including necromancy spells. Zariel fake paladins use the Oath of Devotion abilities (IIRC).

Nope, you just lose Oath specific powers. You keep Lay on Hands, Divine Smite etc.

Oathbreaker is not an oath that you pick, it's a specific subset of rules.

[Cirrus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SmashingQuasar:

Oathbreakers cannot use regular paladin abilities, they use a specific set of abilities including necromancy spells. Zariel fake paladins use the Oath of Devotion abilities (IIRC).

Yes they can use normal paladin features and abilities. All normal paladin class features in fact.
It is just subclass features that change.

[enixmalichite]

zariel is a fallen angel she could grant her followers palladin like powers, or cleric like powers, the lords of the 9 hells are basiclly gods in there own right?

[Cirrus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SmashingQuasar:

Diposting pertama kali oleh RamzaBehoulve:

Nope, you just lose Oath specific powers. You keep Lay on Hands, Divine Smite etc.

Oathbreaker is not an oath that you pick, it's a specific subset of rules.

And that subset changes just Oath features. Nothing else.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cirrus:

Diposting pertama kali oleh SmashingQuasar:

Oathbreaker is not an oath that you pick, it's a specific subset of rules.

And that subset changes just Oath features. Nothing else.

Yeah it mostly changes spells learned to more necromancy focused, you can still learn all the same smites and certain base spells including the ones that would be more radiant damage based.

[LeMuflon]

Not only you are wrong from table top perspective, your're alson incorrect from game's point of view. Read the books spread around, and you'll know that even standard paladins can still be evil bastards, staying true to their oaths.

[rock]

They aren't demons. The paladin is a mortal agent of Zariel, probably an oathbreaker. who previously worshiped Tyr. This is all explained in the quest itself.

[Born2Pwn]

Karlach is a thiefling. Besides Tiamat has paladins, so even if Karlach wasn't, being a paladin is still 100% lore possible. Google Arkhan the Cruel for proof.

[ihatevnecks]

ITT: guy annoyed by "Larian lore error" doesn't read lore, quest dialog, or even understand the longtime lore difference between devil and demon.

[Xeno Repo]

You want to talk about "lore" inaccuracies and THAT'S the cherry you pick? Oh boy if you're still just on Act 1 then you are going to be in for a DOOZY of a time if you care at all about the lore. Use of magic within Baldur's Gate without permission is punishable with a VERY high fine, lengthy imprisonment, and/or death. Meanwhile I'm summoning things left and right with nary a second glance from guards.

Larian publicly said that they have the belief that "no race is inherently evil" and they show it through arrogant flaunting of races that would make others rightfully grab their pitchforks and do everything they can to murder them in cold blood in fear for their friends and families.

"Good" mind flayers do not simply happen in the way that The Emperor exists just because they wanted to be strong and independent from Daddy Elder Brain, and the hosts of mind flayers never maintain a sense of self as they are always completely erased by the mind flayer parasite after the change is complete.

Rapheal has a stronger stat line than currently Archdevils with 5e data sheets.

Where are the other 3 council members of the Baldurian leadership that should be required to swear in an Archduke?

And much, MUCH more. BG3 is a game, or more accurately just a fanfic. A bad one that should have been posted on resetera or /rCriticalRole.

[pascal.difolco]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Glyph:

There is absolutely no lore reason why devil, demons, et al couldn't be paladins. There are evil oaths, and oathbreakers.

And they can even wield Tyr's Sword of Justice ? that's inclusiveness haha

[高天原]

They're Oathbreakers.

[Jeff Smith]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SmashingQuasar:

So obviously spoilers ahead.

Even if demons pass themselves for paladins, they cannot use paladins power in the lore. You need to be bound by one of the oaths for that and they are not.

It's really annoying that Larian just went freestyle with the lore, especially since they were hellbent on going with 5th Ed' which - in my opinion - is by far the lesser TTRPG.

Where in the lore does it say you need to be bound by an oath to use those powers? Paladins have that restriction, obviously, but where in the lore does it say that's the only way to get them?

I have no trouble believing a demon could have a higher ranking demon as its "patron" and granting it powers that are either identical, or look identical, to paladin powers.

If you have a lore source that says otherwise, I'd be interested to see it.

But if not, I think you're confusing the rules with the lore.