Nere fight is completely unbalanced

[Mickey Histo]

I played like a degen yesterday and today and made it to the nere fight, 6+ duergar who can call attack 2-4 times per person per round all level 5 with a boss stacked on top of it. supposedly you can recruit three duergar to help you, but despite crawling through the wiki and 2 year old reddit posts, these duergar will not even give me a dialog option other than to leave. tried different positioning, tried the ogre horn (didnt even summon them) tried cheese, tried invisibility, tried a different party comp. tried to side with nere and say ♥♥♥♥ the gnomes, none of it works, they hit too many times, push you into lava and insa kill you, but if you push them they just kinda sit in there and take a bit of damage, dont know what im missing, but jesus ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ is this too much to handle.

[doodles]

find a way around it, there a few ways. I did this fight 3 or 4 times and wiped but then started thinking tactically, and tbh, got some lucky rolls. BTW i didnt have fireball on any char until after this. Try pulling smaller groups leading up to the main room to thin out the re inforcements. Try using explosives in certain places, doing the sidequest for a big explosive. Id try to clear the main deurgar forces BEFORE u release the big guy. But overall its a game that you cant afford to sleep on sidequests or any available xp, you need to be as maxed out as you can be. Go everywhere, pick up everything, do every quest you can, make sure your team is properly equipped, use throwables and scrolls. When i finished that fight, minus the 'boss' guy everyone was dead apart from my player char. But i finished it. By hook or by crook. Think i was lvl 5.

[Nepnep]

Use crates.

[BlyZeraz]

Sounds like you are just really bad. I got the the Nere fight and just slaughtered him. You can very easily get the rebels to ally with you for the fight to make things easier if you don't have good builds and gear somehow... which you really should by that point

[Recjawjind]

I just bullied the ♥♥♥♥ out of nere and his buddies on tactician. It's really not that bad if you have a cohesive strat. Didn't even use any barrelmancy cheese.
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Respec-d shadowheart (into light domain)
Karlach
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[Cerebus]

Originally posted by BlyZeraz:

Sounds like you are just really bad. I got the the Nere fight and just slaughtered him. You can very easily get the rebels to ally with you for the fight to make things easier if you don't have good builds and gear somehow... which you really should by that point

That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Yes, once you've played the game and know exactly what is going to happen and what you can do to make the fight easier, then you can set it up in a way that makes it doable, if you get good initiative.

But only then. If you play it blindly for the first time, this is just a nightmare. You are suddenly surounded by dwarfs with thunder arrows in a room full of lava pits and chasms. If you roll bad initiative, one of your characters can be dead or catapulted into the lava pit before you even have your first turn. This is so outrageously difficult that you can only make it through with extreme luck, extreme save scumming or if you know exactly how the fight is going to play out. Most likely a combination of all three.

This just isn't good game design. It's frustrating for anybody except for the ultra fans who learn everything by heart and then walk through an adventure they already know every nook and cranny of, pretending they would have been able to do so on their first playthrough.

[SarcastiCatt]

Originally posted by Mickey Histo:

I played like a degen yesterday and today and made it to the nere fight, 6+ duergar who can call attack 2-4 times per person per round all level 5 with a boss stacked on top of it. supposedly you can recruit three duergar to help you, but despite crawling through the wiki and 2 year old reddit posts, these duergar will not even give me a dialog option other than to leave. tried different positioning, tried the ogre horn (didnt even summon them) tried cheese, tried invisibility, tried a different party comp. tried to side with nere and say ♥♥♥♥ the gnomes, none of it works, they hit too many times, push you into lava and insa kill you, but if you push them they just kinda sit in there and take a bit of damage, dont know what im missing, but jesus ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ is this too much to handle.

I had a problem with this as well, I literally went to the beginning of the area and killed every single dwarf leading to that area, and then dealt with the dwarves before I blew the blockage. It's still rough, but without Nere there it helps quite a bit. By himself hes ezpz

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Mickey Histo:

I played like a degen yesterday and today and made it to the nere fight, 6+ duergar who can call attack 2-4 times per person per round all level 5 with a boss stacked on top of it. supposedly you can recruit three duergar to help you, but despite crawling through the wiki and 2 year old reddit posts, these duergar will not even give me a dialog option other than to leave. tried different positioning, tried the ogre horn (didnt even summon them) tried cheese, tried invisibility, tried a different party comp. tried to side with nere and say ♥♥♥♥ the gnomes, none of it works, they hit too many times, push you into lava and insa kill you, but if you push them they just kinda sit in there and take a bit of damage, dont know what im missing, but jesus ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ is this too much to handle.

You do not talk to people? Like? There's litterally an NPC that will mutiny for you and m,ake it easyer.

[SarcastiCatt]

Originally posted by SarcastiCatt:

Originally posted by Mickey Histo:

I played like a degen yesterday and today and made it to the nere fight, 6+ duergar who can call attack 2-4 times per person per round all level 5 with a boss stacked on top of it. supposedly you can recruit three duergar to help you, but despite crawling through the wiki and 2 year old reddit posts, these duergar will not even give me a dialog option other than to leave. tried different positioning, tried the ogre horn (didnt even summon them) tried cheese, tried invisibility, tried a different party comp. tried to side with nere and say ♥♥♥♥ the gnomes, none of it works, they hit too many times, push you into lava and insa kill you, but if you push them they just kinda sit in there and take a bit of damage, dont know what im missing, but jesus ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ is this too much to handle.

I had a problem with this as well, I literally went to the beginning of the area and killed every single dwarf leading to that area, and then dealt with the dwarves before I blew the blockage. It's still rough, but without Nere there it helps quite a bit. By himself hes ezpz

Also, I found out the hard way theres no way to prevent the gnome lady from being killed, if you attack him before the scene plays out she just ends up dead anyway.

[Lord Adorable]

I don't understand how anyone thinks this fight is hard, especially if you've convinced half of the NPC's to help you.

[Tsuki Itsubi]

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

I don't understand how anyone thinks this fight is hard, especially if you've convinced half of the NPC's to help you.

Because that NPC is bugged and some of us just get told to F off. Literally the only dialogue option is "Leave" and nothing fixes it, so you don't get half the Dwarves fighting with you they are ALL against you. There is no winning.

[Iron]

I don't even know what happened, explored to the forge and then all the npc were dead or gone. Goty.

[Miro Fox]

Turn start

Push
Action surge
Push

Push
push
push


Enemy turn

your turn
Push
Action surge
Push

Push
push
push



Loot the dead bodies from the edge of the lava.

Victory

[Jack Niggleson]

Originally posted by Mickey Histo:

I played like a degen yesterday and today and made it to the nere fight, 6+ duergar who can call attack 2-4 times per person per round all level 5 with a boss stacked on top of it. supposedly you can recruit three duergar to help you, but despite crawling through the wiki and 2 year old reddit posts, these duergar will not even give me a dialog option other than to leave. tried different positioning, tried the ogre horn (didnt even summon them) tried cheese, tried invisibility, tried a different party comp. tried to side with nere and say ♥♥♥♥ the gnomes, none of it works, they hit too many times, push you into lava and insa kill you, but if you push them they just kinda sit in there and take a bit of damage, dont know what im missing, but jesus ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ is this too much to handle.

The Duergar you need to talk to for the betrayal option is named Brithvar and IIRC he's south of the rockslide/Nere, right by the stairs. You just need to convince him you're not actually a true soul, which requires a couple pretty easy dialogue tests. If you flip him, all the Duergar other than like three will side with you during the fight, making it an absolute cakewalk.

If you don't want to do that, you can just yeet Nere into the lava when he runs out, which will kill him outright in a couple turns. You can do the same thing to the sniper up on the balcony and to a few of the other Duergar who are poorly positioned near the edge of the lava. If you don't have a high strength character or a warlock, you probably have a couple of thunder arrows in your inventory which can do the job just as well. The ogre horn should work too, but the layout of that part of the forge can make them spawn in weird places so that they take awhile to get to you.

[Jukseri]

Seemed difficult until I casted Hold Person on Nere and suddenly he was not so tough anymore.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Did it on my first try, but it is a pain from what I remembered. Don't go near the lava for sure! We accidently broke nere somehow he got shoved into lava took 40 damage barely lived jumped out into a corner he couldn't escape now the quest says talk to him but he refuses to talk to us lol good thing we did mintharas stuff.