D&D 5e boring

[OrangeGills]

Just hit level 2. Clicked level up. Do I get choices? No, of course not. The game just tells me what I get. Such a shallow game system for such an otherwise fabulous game, its a darn shame Larian went with D&D 5e.

[Morgan]

Depends on class and level.

[ACS36]

Yeah -- they probably should have changed the rules for leveling. It would make the purist mad, but this is a video game first and leveling needs to feel exciting and rewarding to the player.

[OrangeGills]

Originally posted by Morgan:

Depends on class and level.

Most you'll ever do is choose subclass and spells. From there, its all just 'click level up to see what you get'.

[Ars Nova]

I agree there, probably one of the more salient criticisms of the game's mechanics. Also only getting bonuses on stats when the skill is on an even number just feels quite arbitrary, if not outright stupid. Even moreso with race-based stat bonuses being removed.

[Metadigital]

Well, it's not really that different from other editions at the end of the day.

With a more complex system, you just end up with players running off to read guides. In fact, that still happens with this game. Same is true for any RPG, especially MMOS, that allow lots of options. You just have guides that everyone reads.

[45ay3asdasd]

the auto-leveling is a setting, but for some reason its the default. you can disable it and choose your stats and abilities on level up, thats how it was in EA.

[Mr Fred]

Yup and all the talks about setting a new standard actually mean we can look up for a decade of pretty but shallow rpg.

Owlcat is pretty much the last hope for true fans of the genre.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by OrangeGills:

Originally posted by Morgan:

Depends on class and level.

Most you'll ever do is choose subclass and spells. From there, its all just 'click level up to see what you get'.

That's not accurate.

[Loquitran]

Although it is not as "engaging" as d&d 3e or 3.5, I enjoy this approach. It reminds me of AD&D and I don't need to crunch numbers to min max my character, I can just play the game.

[OrangeGills]

Originally posted by Metadigital:

Well, it's not really that different from other editions at the end of the day.

With a more complex system, you just end up with players running off to read guides. In fact, that still happens with this game. Same is true for any RPG, especially MMOS, that allow lots of options. You just have guides that everyone reads.

I'd prefer the illusion of choice, over no choice at all, but Larian is better than that. DOS 2 was really great for interesting builds and meaningful choices in skills and abilities.
Sure, you could look up a guide to find broken combos, but that's nothing new with RPGs.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by ACS36:

Yeah -- they probably should have changed the rules for leveling. It would make the purist mad, but this is a video game first and leveling needs to feel exciting and rewarding to the player.

If anything I'd say they should have stuck closer to the 5e character build system.

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Yes

[Chaosolous]

Originally posted by ♥shadowheart's♥foot♥slave:

the auto-leveling is a setting, but for some reason its the default. you can disable it and choose your stats and abilities on level up, thats how it was in EA.

Where?

[Pinhead Larry]

Originally posted by ACS36:

Yeah -- they probably should have changed the rules for leveling. It would make the purist mad, but this is a video game first and leveling needs to feel exciting and rewarding to the player.

It's a video game attempting to simulate a tabletop RPG, so the closer it gets to delivering on the TTRPG experience the better.

Both Pathfinder games by Owlcat ended up being almost 1:1 recreations of the tabletop and they were fantastic games, so I no longer buy the argument "Tabletop games have to be changed from the source material to work as videogames" when Owlcat has twice now proven that claim to be incorrect.

[Zef]

Originally posted by Mr Fred:

Yup and all the talks about setting a new standard actually mean we can look up for a decade of pretty but shallow rpg.

Owlcat is pretty much the last hope for true fans of the genre.

AHAHAHAHA