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Counterpoint - i think thats a different genre (starts with a H and ends with entai)
Supposedly this is adventure RPG - i wonder why people are focused on the romance
but all seriousness its ok about being upset not having more female options. Just like I am upset about the Race system should have more diversity (where the heck are my aasimars?)
This. I'm playing games and watch anime to "escape" reality. I mean, who wouldn't wan't to when you look at the current world. We see people, both beautiful and ugly in real life every single day, even on the internet too. Why wouldn't we wan't to see something more crazy and different in fictional media? Why does every game need hyper realistic graphics now like The Last of Us?
If your game contains a character creator, i should be allowed to make whatever character i wan't to and however i wan't to, futa or non futa, big chest or non big chest, big belly or belly with abs. Why is that such a bad thing?
Even indie games like She Will Punish Them did their character creators better and i'd say that even Saints Row The Third's character creator also holds up great to this day even though it's like over 10 year old game.
We have all this technology, 1 billion polygons, ray tracing, 8K resolution and texture, 256 fps, the most surreal post processing and what do devs do with all of it? Use it all to make the most ugliest female characters possible in the most generic urban environments while male characters almost never get the same kind of treatment.
I don't get it. Why do people like realism these days so much while unrealistic stuff like anime and manga are looked down? What happened? What went wrong?
When I play a business simulation I do so for the fantasy of being the CEO of for example a big transport company trying to make millions and build a huge network. I don't play that game to simulate being a homeless guy on street begging for money.
When I play an ego shooter like Call of Duty I want to play through the fantasy of being a soldier while winning a war. And I'll do that without actually hurting anyone in real life. Just because I fire a gun at someone in a video game doesn't mean I want to fire a gun at real people.
Especially for CoD you could force the devs to turn all enemies into goblins or demons like the one you're seeing in Diablo or Baldur's Gate. But then it wouldn't be a CoD game anymore as war based ego shooters involves usually shooting at human looking characters. It is what it is.
And just like fantasies about being rich or the best soldier in the world there is also fantasies about party members in your group and what they may look like or what you might want them to look like.
I played World of Warcraft for years and various other MMOs. And usually I prefer to create a pretty girl. I don't create and play that girl to rub one out because of her or that I want to be one but because I like looking at a nice female back end as well face much more than I want to see a man on my screen all day.
And when I play games like that involve interactions with other character (including romances) I want to interact with characters that are appealing to me. This goes for personality as well as looks. If I don't like the looks of a character I can ignore that somewhat when it comes down to general gameplay where I might not be looking as much at them. But i definitely don't want to any socializing with them. This goes especially if their personality is bad as well which btw. is also the case for the main BG3 cast. When I saw the premade characters in the character selection screen and heard their back story and saw their personality I was like "nope, no interest".
They are unlikable and the women are not nice to look at neither. So what is left? Why would I want to interact with them?
Also this. Why is it okay when western does this, especially if it's realistic looking bear but Japan making anime and manga that have a couple of lolis in anime is where people draw a line and it's the worst thing ever and too realistic even though these same characters can carry huge swords and guns and when they get brutally killed or tortured, no one complains.
"but but muh fictonal anime lolis, they literally too realistic and literally kids, it's going to normalize this and that even though i have no data to show proof of it but but just trust me okay even though i'm a zoomer, i surely know more than those soccer moms and politicians like Jack Thompson who told us that violent video games like GTA will normalize violence and how they need to be banned but they were wrong, i'm right"
The "literally too realistic" in question being bug eyed anime girls that don't look like any real human. The bear from Baldur Gate 3 looks more realistic than any anime or manga character i have ever seen.
And my brother in christ, lolis are already normalized, more that they are ever before. They were normalized the day anime and manga were created. Ever heard of the lolicon boom? Pixiv alone has over 1 million images tagged with lolis already and more and more keeps coming. Loli art is still seen by tons of people on sites like Twitter every day and they get thousands of likes every single time. People can't stop talking about lolis either, they always gotta mention them somewhere. People will continue complain about lolis in anime and manga but they still keep watching and reading them, the content they so much keep calling "illegal" material. Rebecca from Cyberpunk was one of the most popular lolis and same with Tamaki from One Punch Man. Gawr Gura is a loli and she's the most popular vtuber out there. It's literally over already. You can't stop something that any human in the world can draw with just some pen and paper unless we ban those too but good luck with that.
Reminder that western did Cuties movie that's still on Netflix and Game of Thrones that had tons of stuff that a lot of people who watched it would also consider the same kind of stuff in anime and manga to be illegal. Then there's also Big Mouth and South Park that while also unrealistic, still have tons of messed up stuff with kids doing stuff but because it's done for "jokes" and "ironic", it's supposed to be totally fine?
I also hate people who say that the whole bear thing is also "ironic" and just for "jokes" which is supposed to make it suddenly fine or those that think it's also bad and awful illegal thing in this game while still playing it and going "well you can still play it while not supporting it". You are literally playing what you think has illegal content in it. It's the same with those people who keep watching anime and say that "man this Made in Abyss anime is so great, i can't stop watching it, it's just a shame that the creator decided to add literal CP in this anime, so messed up but anyway, i can't stop watching this anime that has illegal content in it".
If you think something has illegal content in it, you report it to the authorities, you don't go complain about on Twitter. It's that simple.
You literally can't blame us for thinking that there's xenophobia towards Japan from westerners when they continue to proof that there clearly is.
By the way, currently there are people crying on Twitter about Mortal Kombat being too violent and that there needs to more options to toggle blood and gore in those games. More work for the devs, yippee, you go zoomers! I also told you that it's never gonna be enough, always more "problematic" things in fictional media that needs to be removed because of a few complainers.
"but the mods the mods the mods, just mod your game"
There are also people complaining about those too. One had like 5K likes and the other one had 10K likes. just because someone had made mods to make the female characters a bit more attractive in Baldurs Gare 3. Same thing happened with Resident Evil 4 Remake. Everyone complained about Ashley's mods but not Leons. It's only a matter of time until Nexus also gives in and other mods sites because of a few people complaining about optional mods. It already happened with games like Spider Man and Fire Emblem Engage. Even LoversLab and GameBanana kept removing Fire Emblem Engage mod even though all it did was fix localization and those sites have a lot more messed up mods about animals.
It's also get pretty tiresome that it's always the modders who have to fix the game or add the missing content and for free too. It shouldn't be like this.
People getting pressed about mods is one of the weirdest things I've seen recently. I swear previously people just kinda laughed about weird mods and ignored them, now they're getting actively upset. It's also coming from people who regularly apply foundation and 3 inches of makeup and then use an Instagram beauty filter on top of all of that and are now upset at men who retouch a few pixels to idealize their digitally romance-able fantasy game character in Baldur’s Gate 3 or pretty much any game that you can mod. Seriously, don't you use makeup for the same reasons?
"but who cares about what people on Twitter say? No one takes them seriously."
I wish you were right but that's literally the site that almost every company keeps listening to because it's a site that a lot of people use. What? You think they go to 4chan to listen what people have to say? If they see a tweet that says that "this is literally problematic in a game" and it has 100K of botted likes, companies will take them seriously and either censor or remove it. Many such cases.
There are people currently trying to cancel the author of Mushoku Tensei too because "fictional dark themes" and because he refused to apologize for it. We have too many people these days who can’t separate between fiction and reality. Just because I like to read disturbing fictions doesn’t make me a a psychopath and no author, Japanese or otherwise, needs to justify decisions in fiction or clarify that they don't "support X" in reality simply for portrayals that don't align with those that wan't to control everything and attempting to enforce Western modern sensibilities on the world.
This isn't a normal reaction that people should have. This is work of fiction and it shouldn't be written in political correctness. There will be things you will like and even dislike and you shouldn't try to impose your justice on author like that. That's taking away creativity.
You're free to disagree with subjects depicted in work. You're free to disagree with decisions made by characters. I have no issue with people hating Rudeus, I find it perfectly understandable, he isn't someone that everyone will find appealing or root for and I get it.
But to go as far as to harass authors over decisions and trying to make everyone who even dares to like the work a villain is outright ridiculous. It's not even criticism. There is no justice served in this way as you're simply trying to forcefully moderate someone's fictional and harmless story.
"You're only allowed to write slavery as super dark and cruel, we're trying to guilt people here"
It is kind of bizarre when you see dark themes within fiction and people equate it with real life and instantly think that these authors support it in real life. Does this mean Baldurs Gate 3 devs support doing stuff with bears in real life or what? Isn't that how this goes?
"Sorry I portrayed negative things realistically in my story"
GTA devs: "Sorry we coded car jacking and murder into the game, we actually don't support those things just so you guys know."
Skyrim devs: "Sorry we coded theft and grave robbing into the game we don't think that's ok guys we're sorry."
Ridiculous honestly.
Tfw you try to trash talk JRPGs but just end up making them sound even better
Noticed this with Hogwarts Legacy too but it's surprisingly hard to make a decently attractive or let's say 'overtly' conventionally beautiful wimmenfolk. Conversely, it's extremely easy to make a guy look like a solid 11/10.
Figured I'd make a prissy, pretty caster type of noble birth but nearly every attempt just made them look extremely androgynous or oddly uncannily masculine. Some of the male characters I've made look more like women than the women do. XD I have a feeling, similarly with Hogwarts, that it has something to do with the facial proportions more than anything else.
Shadowheart looks 100% better than anything I can throw together in the creator brrr. Oh well. Mods will deliver.
I played Star Ocean: The Divine Force recently, where all of the characters literally look like dolls and it's about as weeby as you can weeb, but I'll still probably take those over a lot of the femmil options in Baldur's Gate 3. Because uncanny valley not withstanding, they're somewhat cute to look at.
Where are my fat females?! My dragonborn chonky females? Why is it thin skinny females!????
It's not bad at all. But for some the current females in this game are this 9/10 you speak of. And some will despise your version of 9/10. It's impossible to please everyone.
Also, when you expect to play every game as 'yourself', you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Some games you have to play precicely for what it is ; As game.
Do not try to live a fantasy, USE your fantasy (imagination)
It actually and honestly surprises me that there’s so much denial about all of this.
Women in Western games even when attractive, are made to look very masculine and lack of obvious feminine traits.
Massive Jaw lines, Masculine builds, not specifically largely proportionated, no clothing with any sexual undertones(if any skin even shows).
They are just dudes that happened to have a female voice actor and two tiny bumps on their chest.
While at the same time men are either absurdly effeminate and flamboyant, or irrationally hyper masculine 11/10 uber chads.
Why is it such a sin to make petite or largely endowed, girly faced female characters? Have you people ever been to Asia or Eastern Europe?
This is already backed up by the fact that 2/3 of the players try to be good in this game (it's usually the same in other games with moral decisions as well). So they either want to be a good person or maybe better than they are in real life.
When it comes down to interaction with characters in games and especially romances people also prefer idealized partners (9/10 and 10/10). You're saying for some the characters in this game are like this and that is true. You're talking about a minority though.
If you have men (and women if you want) rate the characters in BG3 in terms of looks then for the female characters you'd get a below average rating. I think Shadowheart would get the highest rating with maybe a 6/10. These averages will include some who give her a 10/10 and others who would give her a 1/10. In the end the average would still rate her as "mid" and all of the other female characters look worse.
One last thing - the statement "use your fantasy" may apply to something like books where you work with descriptions instead of images. It fails entirely though as soon as I actually have an image in front of me. If you show me a picture of Angela Merkel and tell me to "imagine" it's Gal Gadot then I'll tell you to f*** off. I will see what the image shows and if the woman in the picture is not appealing then she's not appealing. It's that simple.