Larian, please stop restricting how we play the game.

[LadyBrinstar]

First you take away a fundamental part of D&D, rolling for the ability scores. You say it's for balancing purposes. I ask, is this a multiplayer competitive game that needs this level of balancing? Why not just have the option to choose weather or not you want to roll for the stats and let people play the game how they want?
I might want a playthrough where I want more heroic characters for example.

Secondly, you didn't include enough companion variety. Forcing us to use evil characters in good parties for example, just to fill the roles we want. (Astarion is cool and all but come on, not in my shining beacon of a good party :p )(Same thing for Gale. Wouldn't want him in an evil party either.)

The fix for this? Hirelings. Which you failed to implement like we asked. We wanted FULLY customizeable characters. As in: WE make them and add them. Names, species, classes, ability points, everything.
Forcing stuff like this on us is only limiting how we can play the game and limits replay-ability.

I love the game otherwise. But as someone who's been playing and DMing D&D since 2nd edition, I cannot overlook these flaws. They should be considered.

[Enola Gay]

Originally posted by solaris32:

Rolling for ability scores is a terrible mechanic and shouldn't exist.

deciding your opinion is more important than anyone else could be considered a terrible thing.

Why not let people play how they want rather than trying to impose your will on them and make them play how you demand them to.

[Sushi]

"evil characters"? i think that is totally up to perspective

[LadyBrinstar]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

rolling for stats went out of fashion with the 2e games. . .
it's still an option in tabletop, but hardly anyone uses it.

earlier dnd video games. .like BG1 and 2 allowed the dice rolling, but i guarantee nobody just rolled once and then used what it gave them.
we all sat there for an hour rolling until we got multiple 18,17,16's.

so i suspect OP is upset because they can't do that in this.

Firstly, I've never met anyone in real life that did not like rolling for stats in tabletop.

Secondly, I never made characters in either tabletop or BG1/2 that had THAT high stats. But I would like the chance to get one 18 and maybe 2 16's on a character for those heroic playthroughs. But sitting there rolling to try to get multiple 18's or everything above 16 is just silly in my opinion.

Mostly my complaint is about the non randomness you get from the arrays and point buy system. I love seeing a 6 in a stat on someone's character. It means that character has something kind of fun about them, maybe they're kind of dumb, or maybe they are really unwise, so they leap before they look many times. There is a lot of roleplay implications tied to the ability scores after all.

[Icedfate]

don't misunderstand me. i liked rolling for stats too. but in the video games, where it just lets you roll and roll and roll, you bet i always made sure at least an 18 on my prime stat and a 16 on dex.

[LadyBrinstar]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

don't misunderstand me. i liked rolling for stats too. but in the video games, where it just lets you roll and roll and roll, you bet i always made sure at least an 18 on my prime stat and a 16 on dex.

Yeah, why is that such a bad thing though? If you enjoy it, why not?

Isn't that the whole point of games? To have fun?

[Sicho84]

get a die IRL, roll your stat, put it in via Point Buy

[LadyBrinstar]

Originally posted by Sicho84:

get a die IRL, roll your stat, put it in via Point Buy :2018bestaward:

Doesn't work. You cannot lower a stat lower than 8. And you cannot raise one higher than 17.

[Many-Named]

Originally posted by LadyBrinstar:

Originally posted by solaris32:

Rolling for ability scores is a terrible mechanic and shouldn't exist.

Why is it a terrible mechanic to have as an option? Some people like to roll for stats. Why keep that from them?

The only reason he wants to roll is to spend all day rolling to obtain the max points in every stat.

It's just a cheat with extra steps. I'm fine with it, as long as it doesn't affect multiplayer, so I do agree with OP however the devs are entitled to put in place certain restrictions as to not alter the experience intended for the end users.

Mod will probably fix it tho, I mean just give the guy max stat everywhere at least lol.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

rolling for stats went out of fashion with the 2e games. . .
it's still an option in tabletop, but hardly anyone uses it.

Dunno what games you play in but NOBODY i know likes point buy. Like none of them, zero, nadda, not a damn one of them. I tried to implement PF2e's version of point buy which is more forgiving. Not one of my players liked it and asked to go back to dice rolling really quickly.

I've been playing DnD since 2e, i've played 3.0, 3.5, 4e, 5e, PF1e and even PF2e... and one thing has remained absolutely TRUE across every edition. People hate point buy, its to restrictive and you simply can not get a good stat drop with it. It got worse in 5e when you cant even reach an 18 if you wanted to since its capped.

So i have to whole heartedly disagree with you. I haven't been in any DnD groups in my 20-25 years of playing the game that ever wanted point buy.

Its bad, it sucks, its not fun... and i wish people would stop acting like rolling is the devils work or some crap. Its the base rule, its what was intended, point buy will ALWAYS remain a variant rule.

Edit:

To people saying he's just rolling to get 18's in every stat, funny story! a friend of mine has been trying to get a 98 roll in our private dnd server for going on a month. He rolls 10-20 times a day--- and still has not achieved this legendary feat. The truth is rolling above a 90 is pretty rare, and while some probably do this the time and effort it takes to get a 98 is absurd and most people will not bother with it.

I rolled for my stats in BG3 and i barely got an 81... so no its hardly going to break the game. You people are exaggerating ... this ♥♥♥♥ doesn't happen...

[OlyyyYYyyYYYyyyY]

My guy only reviewed a coomer brain rot game in his life and he pretends to know to people want in a DnD game. Good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lord. Go back to League of Angels and leave the reviews to proper players

[NixAhmose]

Originally posted by Kris:

Rolling should be in the game. You can't convince me that it's unbalanced to have my fighter have 14 intelligence or 14 charisma for roleplaying purposes. There's no argument against rolling being in the game.

In fairness all Larian has said on the matter is they were working on it and wanted it in the game but eventually had to stop working on it in order to focus on other systems. So I’m hoping we’ll eventually get it in some form as part of a free update.

[Cunin]

Great points and the hirelings in particular.
Would go a long way towards offsetting issues with companions and choices in general.

[Something completely different]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Originally posted by Icedfate:

rolling for stats went out of fashion with the 2e games. . .
it's still an option in tabletop, but hardly anyone uses it.

Dunno what games you play in but NOBODY i know likes point buy. Like none of them, zero, nadda, not a damn one of them. I tried to implement PF2e's version of point buy which is more forgiving. Not one of my players liked it and asked to go back to dice rolling really quickly.

I've been playing DnD since 2e, i've played 3.0, 3.5, 4e, 5e, PF1e and even PF2e... and one thing has remained absolutely TRUE across every edition. People hate point buy, its to restrictive and you simply can not get a good stat drop with it. It got worse in 5e when you cant even reach an 18 if you wanted to since its capped.

So i have to whole heartedly disagree with you. I haven't been in any DnD groups in my 20-25 years of playing the game that ever wanted point buy.

Its bad, it sucks, its not fun... and i wish people would stop acting like rolling is the devils work or some crap. Its the base rule, its what was intended, point buy will ALWAYS remain a variant rule.

Edit:

To people saying he's just rolling to get 18's in every stat, funny story! a friend of mine has been trying to get a 98 roll in our private dnd server for going on a month. He rolls 10-20 times a day--- and still has not achieved this legendary feat. The truth is rolling above a 90 is pretty rare, and while some probably do this the time and effort it takes to get a 98 is absurd and most people will not bother with it.

I rolled for my stats in BG3 and i barely got an 81... so no its hardly going to break the game. You people are exaggerating ... this ♥♥♥♥ doesn't happen...

And I have to heartily disagree with you.

No one I know likes to have much lower stats then other PC's in pnp so rolling is a garbage mechanic in pnp that puts a powder keg under the campaign before it even really starts as players don't like to play the weakling where the lucky sod that had the high rolls is the constant MVP.
And that's coming from someone who has played pnp since 2E as well.

In a single player game rolling is fine and it should have been in BG3 as promised but saying no one likes point buy is very far from the truth.

[Blame]

1. Rolling for stats is pointless in a videogame and mostly a waste of time and money to implement. Use your head to figure out why.

2. There are a lot more companions than just the origin characters, but you find them further down the line.

3. There is a method to create extra custom characters if it's so important for you. Just search it on YouTube and you'll find a guide on how to do it.

Remember: this is a videogame made for a very broad audience, not just hardcore D&D fans and, as a videogame, there must and will be differences. It's a different medium and consumed in a different way.
Do not ever expect a 1:1 copy.

[Cypeq]

Rolling for stats is for dumb, mostly people endlessly click to get more power. Just use cheats for that down the line.
This is Baldur's Gate might not mean much after 20+ years, but it was about party dynamics, and characters in a party with their own goals and strong personalities.
Game is a continuation of series in this regard and you're loosing a lot of story and flavour without them.
If you want dungeon crawling DnD romp, with whateverparty you want, just play Solasta its excellent game delivering what you actually want.