hide - bonus action to action

[Laksa]

seems like hide is nerfed, from bonus action to action.
i.e. you cannot hide and backstab in the same round.
i had the impression that damage is already nerfed before, and now its nerfed again?

wonder if you guys feel the same or balance is served?

[Procrastinating Gamer]

By default in 5e it takes a whole action to hide, that's why it's a whole Rogue class feature at level 2 (Cunning Action) that they get to do so as a Bonus Action. I think the main problem is that even after you get Cunning Action you have to use the "Cunning Action: Hide" action and not just the basic "Hide" action to get the action discount.

[Laksa]

i love this community, thank you!

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Procrastinating Gamer:

By default in 5e it takes a whole action to hide, that's why it's a whole Rogue class feature at level 2 (Cunning Action) that they get to do so as a Bonus Action. I think the main problem is that even after you get Cunning Action you have to use the "Cunning Action: Hide" action and not just the basic "Hide" action to get the action discount.

Makes sense, because there's a lot of other things you might want to do with a bonus action in combat besides Hide.

[Damocles]

They over-corrected this whole thing. The AI is much better not in finding hidden characters from their last seen position. That removes a lot of the exploit potential from EA.
There was no need to also set hide as a normal action.

It moved from not-fun (too easy exploit) to not-fun (barely usable)

[Procrastinating Gamer]

Originally posted by Damocles:

They over-corrected this whole thing. The AI is much better not in finding hidden characters from their last seen position. That removes a lot of the exploit potential from EA.
There was no need to also set hide as a normal action.

It moved from not-fun (too easy exploit) to not-fun (barely usable)

As I said before; Hide's always been a full action, or it's meant to've been at least. You need a special ability like Cunning Action to do it as a bonus action. If it was working any other way for non-Rogues in Early Access then that was Larian actively disregarding the source material and invalidating an entire 2nd level class feature for the Rogue.