Dice rolls are a bad system for speech checks.

[Millenia]

Literally no point in having +3 and +2 in persuation etc when you just roll a 2 on a 10 required check.

Its stupid, straight up. It just promotes savescumming

[Tikigod]

Originally posted by CheatingZubat:

Originally posted by Tsuru:

Save scumming is a product of people who dont want to play the game as designed. They are too afraid of FOMO instead of just you know...experiencing the flow of what happens.

When the failed check involves your character literally dying, or other characters killing you, or other party members. Yeah no, this isn't a matter of FOMO, it's a matter of "WTF I didn't want that"

Something happening in a game that you didn't want?

OMG.

Unacceptable.

The very idea is just so outrageous!

[2LambBuna]

just roll with them. you dont fail the game if you fail a check and sometimes failing opens up new story. also you can boost you rolls with cantrips & spells like guidance, thaumatorgy and friends. my bard is only level 5 and gets + 8-11 on speech spell checks (with the highest of 2 dice if it's performance or intimidation). you always fail on a 1 though regardless of how skilled the character is

[2LambBuna]

Originally posted by teksuo:

is there a way to speed them up? i couldnt care less for that animation and the subsequent adjusting that comes with it. not too keen on watching that for 10 seconds every time.

guess i should scrounge through the options or something.

edit: oh damn you gotta spam click a whole bunch to skip and its still slow lol. bummer.

yes click the dice a 2nd time

[Puffing Magic Dragon]

It feels like the dice will ♥♥♥♥ on you when it's the most important moment and then you have to kill the whole room lol

[Tempest Fox3]

It's more fun to just accept the consequences of the roll good or bad honestly. You might not get the outcome you expect, you might not get the outcome you wanted. But you'll still get one that is entertaining.

[fox]

Originally posted by Tempest Fox3:

It's more fun to just accept the consequences of the roll good or bad honestly. You might not get the outcome you expect, you might not get the outcome you wanted. But you'll still get one that is entertaining.

It's fun for that one tabletop sesson with your buddies. It's not fun on a save file that youve invested many hours into.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by fox:

Originally posted by Tempest Fox3:

It's more fun to just accept the consequences of the roll good or bad honestly. You might not get the outcome you expect, you might not get the outcome you wanted. But you'll still get one that is entertaining.

It's fun for that one tabletop sesson with your buddies. It's not fun on a save file that youve invested many hours into.

It's literally what I've been doing and it's quite possibly one of the most-if not THE most- fun experiences I've had with an RPG in ages.

[Solatenoriel]

I remind myself that just because you are good at something doesn't mean you cannot fail at it. Even professional athletes have bad days. Shoot I rolled 1 on the first persuasion check in the game with high persuasion. And I rolled with it, so to speak.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Solatenoriel:

I remind myself that just because you are good at something doesn't mean you cannot fail at it. Even professional athletes have bad days. Shoot I rolled 1 on the first persuasion check in the game with high persuasion. And I rolled with it, so to speak.

Happened to me when I had ADVANTAGE at one point and I just laughed and rolled with it.

Turns out that failure had terrible consequences later on though. Oh well.

[itsmes3]

Originally posted by Millenia:

Literally no point in having +3 and +2 in persuation etc when you just roll a 2 on a 10 required check.

Its stupid, straight up. It just promotes savescumming

bro you can get like +7's and rerolls its becomes really easy to pass checks you're skilled in dog

[UnholyDentist]

Originally posted by Talomose:

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

By all means, feel free to give us ideas on how to improve D&D's mechanics. Hopefully your suggestions will break only the bare minimum.

I know people are speaking of D&D as a whole, but I think it's important to point out the version being used as well. Different versions of D&D lead to very different styles of gameplay and, therefore, players.

They took 5e (I get it, it's the latest) and put it into a video game when v3.5 or 4E make far more sense. There are core design decisions behind 5e that are impacted when changing its medium to a video game. As far as D&D goes, it's a bad match.

That's probably because WotC wants to promote it's latest edition.

[Blitz4]

Originally posted by Tikigod:

Originally posted by Dust:

It's not a dice roll in those games, you either pass the check requirements or you don't.

Not true, only Fallout-reboot game that had static hard checks I believe was New Vegas.

Both FO3 and FO4 have dice rolls with either a % or colour coded illustration of the probability you'll succeed.

Very few RPGs actually use hard stat checks for determining outcomes for everything, most either are entirely dice roll outcomes with your stats feeding in to probability weighting, or use hard stat checks for things like insight checks and the like but still implement dice roll outcomes for many of the actual actions.

The only real 'big name' game that comes to mind that only use hard stat checks was Mass Effect with it's very linear Paragon/Renegade scale. But the Mass Effect series and Schizophrenic G.I Joe Shepard is hardly a good example of solid character building and presentation.

Mass Effect was very much just about power fantasy control for the player, you could preach about how all the galaxy should be equal and working together in one conversation, then walk into the next room and punch a alien in the face for not being human and scream how humanity is the best and should be on top leading everyone in the next dialogue you have.

Which is great for making the player feel good short term able to just jump around playing a schizophrenic main character that is just the living embodiment of the players whims one moment to the next, and lets them have meme moments they can remember fondly..... but it's also a extremely piss-poor example of actually structuring and telling a strong narrative with a consistent player character that behaved with any kind of believable drive behind them.

FO3/4 aren't rpg's

[Blitz4]

Originally posted by VoiD:

It's the perfect system to encourage players to never, ever savescum anything.

They have masterfully made it so every encounter your skills, non combat skills even, can remain very relevan.

But even if you're no expert, it's not like you're unable to try, a poor speaker might just be able to pull off a hard manipulation check.

But the best part is: Even if things fail, your options don't end there, even if you are caught stealing you can be confronted by the guard, then you have several options on how to deal with him, some are harder to convince than others, and even if you fail, you don't just end your entire chapter turning hostile to an entire faction, you can just run away and hope they forget about the incident, or you can attack & knock them down, not losing an important quest NPC just because you failed twice (once stealing, then again on a speech check), or you can even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ murder an NPC, or several, in a city, and if noone sees it, and if you're not caught near the bodies when another NPC spots them, you're still ok and can still enter the city and keep doing your quests.

Honestly, if you're savescumming this game, at all, you're not playing the RPG, so you should probably just uninstall and play something else, after all, you don't have skills, consequences, outcomes or anything else, that's the same as using a cheat/trainer to set all of your skills to +100 for a 100% success rate on everything you do.

thanks. cool post. makes me feel better going ironman

[fox]

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

It's literally what I've been doing and it's quite possibly one of the most-if not THE most- fun experiences I've had with an RPG in ages.

Did you already sink hundreds of hours into the EA? Maybe you are looking for something fresh. I have time for one, maybe two playthroughs before Starfield comes out and then this game gets shelved for a few months. By then I'll try something new and fun, but for now, I'd prefer a more traditional playthrough where my Astarion doesn't struggle to deceive a dumb goblin guard.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by fox:

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

It's literally what I've been doing and it's quite possibly one of the most-if not THE most- fun experiences I've had with an RPG in ages.

Did you already sink hundreds of hours into the EA? Maybe you are looking for something fresh. I have time for one, maybe two playthroughs before Starfield comes out and then this game gets shelved for a few months. By then I'll try something new and fun, but for now, I'd prefer a more traditional playthrough where my Astarion doesn't struggle to deceive a dumb goblin guard.

You have fun with that. I prefer games that arn't missing their launch executables on their launch days. That's why I,ll be sure to enjoy replaying Baldur's Gate III for quite a while.