Question Multi-Classing Eldritch Blast spell progression

[Sloul Des Tucs]

The 2 features I am interested in Eldritch Blast are its push capability (with repelling blast) and the fact that you can have multiple projectiles (which are dependant on caster level).

A) My question is, if you 1 level dip into Warlock as a Bard, and pick Eldritch blast as a cantrip does then Eldritch blast gets any level progression at all from Bard?
Or is it solely dependant on your Warlock level?

/IF it doesn't progress with Bard level, then it leads me to another question
(completely disregard this if it does)

B) Would it then fallow Warlock progression if:
> I would main College of Lore Bard
> get Secret Spells (6th level)
> pick Eldritch blast (which would fallow bard progression)
And from there, I would then, 1 level dip into warlock (to unlock repelling blast, possibly through Eldritch Adept feat).

Would then, the 1 level dip into Warlock also count as a level progression for eldritch blast?

[Edstyles]

Not an expert but yes i believe elditch blast gets boosted even if you dont have many levels in warlock mainly because its a cantrip and therefor has its own rules.
so even just 1 point in warlock would get you a scaling cantrip.

[BigAlzBub]

In the current rules eldritch blast scales only with level, so you could have levels of champion fighter and Eldritch blast would still become more powerful.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Not an expert but yes i believe elditch blast gets boosted even if you dont have many levels in warlock mainly because its a cantrip and therefor has its own rules.
so even just 1 point in warlock would get you a scaling cantrip.

1 level means no agonizing blast though. You want at least 2 in warlock if you want to build around EB

[Groucho]

cantrips scale with character level, doesn't matter what class. you're all good

[Edstyles]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Not an expert but yes i believe elditch blast gets boosted even if you dont have many levels in warlock mainly because its a cantrip and therefor has its own rules.
so even just 1 point in warlock would get you a scaling cantrip.

1 level means no agonizing blast though. You want at least 2 in warlock if you want to build around EB

he wasnt asking about that . why are you quoting?

[Sloul Des Tucs]

Thanks a lot for your answers guys.

And yes I'm not really interesting in agonizing blast, I think repelling blast is the true gem of Eldritch blast.

I think I'll go with a 2 level dip Warlock to get 2 free eldritch invocation (repelling blast) and Eldritch Spear. And then ill pick Eldritch Sniper as a feat.

[Marcos_DS]

Originally posted by Sloul Des Tucs:

Thanks a lot for your answers guys.

And yes I'm not really interesting in agonizing blast, I think repelling blast is the true gem of Eldritch blast.

I think I'll go with a 2 level dip Warlock to get 2 free eldritch invocation (repelling blast) and Eldritch Spear. And then ill pick Eldritch Sniper as a feat.

Agonizing blast is really important from a damage perspective tho: its +5 extra (or more if you manage to get charisma beyond 20) per projectile, so +10 as soon as you get 2 projectiles, and +15 with 3.

The longer range of Eldrich Spear sounds nice in theory, but in practice you first have to see your enemies. This rarely happens at very long ranges in dungeons due to darkvision range limits.

[sevensided]

Originally posted by Sloul Des Tucs:

Thanks a lot for your answers guys.

And yes I'm not really interesting in agonizing blast, I think repelling blast is the true gem of Eldritch blast.

I think I'll go with a 2 level dip Warlock to get 2 free eldritch invocation (repelling blast) and Eldritch Spear. And then ill pick Eldritch Sniper as a feat.

If you are going bard (and thus have charisma as a primary stat), you are leaving considerable damage on the table not taking agonizing Blast.

Repelling blast is good, but spear really isn't necessary unless you're planning to cheese stealth/engagement mechanics in the game.

Remember, agonizing blast applies to each bolt of eldritch blast, not just once.

[RealDealBreaker]

All cantrips (including EB) scale with total character level. So a fighter 4/warlock 1 would still get two blasts per cast just like a warlock 5. The only thing that the fighter4/warlock1 would be missing out on are any invocations that may affect eldritch blast that warlocks can start taking at warlock level 2.

[Meowella]

Originally posted by Sloul Des Tucs:

Thanks a lot for your answers guys.

And yes I'm not really interesting in agonizing blast, I think repelling blast is the true gem of Eldritch blast.

I think I'll go with a 2 level dip Warlock to get 2 free eldritch invocation (repelling blast) and Eldritch Spear. And then ill pick Eldritch Sniper as a feat.

Eldritch Blast is 1d10 per beam.
Agonizing blast adds +cha per beam.

If you use eldritch blast without agonizing blast you're doing half the damage, on average.

Thinking it's cool to knock an enemy back 30ft at level 11 is utterly awful when you're fighting flying creatures, mind flayers with 70ft cones etc.
You're not going to be fighting melee creatures as often as you think late game.

[Sloul Des Tucs]

All true, I might switch eldritch snipe with agonizing blast.
Still, I think repelling blast is priceless if you start to mess around with terraforming (water + ice) stuff like that.
I was envisionning to pick create water and spike growth with Secret spells in order to add some interesting interactions with repelling blast.

Also, I just learn that there is another invocation to pull targets with eldritch blast (wow).
I wonder how it might affect flyers then (does it attract them to the ground?).
Would be quite funny to pull flyers into entangle.