The joy of DnD was race diversity , why did Larian destroy that

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For the record every race having the same racial abilities is a disgusting insult to how Dnd was supposed to be played. I have a mind to refund but haven’t quite pulled the trigger yet.

[Farsha]

Tasha did the same for DnD 5e and most people use that rule.
New version of the One DnD will have something very similar to BG3.
And nothing got destroyed it opens up more builds.
No more soft-lock classes to races, that was actually an insult.
Want to be charismatic Gnome? Too bad they all have bonus to INT.
Or really dexterous Half-Orc? Too bad they are all just Strong.
That was an real insult.
Stupid pointless limitation that had no benefit to anyone's roleplay or imagination.

If it is so great, why is most played race in DnD 5e "variant human", that can put bonuses where ever he wants....

And if such a minor change in game so huge and deep like this bothers that much, just refund your life, not this game....

[Ronin Gamer]

I prefer races/species having baked in stats of that kind, like in Pathfinder or Solasta. Says more about the members of that group of people that might adventure and gives you unique build ideas by giving you an option that you can pick a wizard that might have a minor increase in melee stats and some prof in weapons wizards normally don't have and you can make a unique wizard build idea.
Technically you can still do that, but it's just more I like having the baked in stats to give the different choices more uniqueness from each other, not to have them all be the same basic baseline which makes them more boring overall.

[Dragon Master]

Publicado originalmente por larhtas:

It is called species now

Yeah, no one who plays D&D really cares about that and will still refer to them as races.

[Punished Jeremy]

Cool story mark

[barbie]

its better this way cus now u play waht u want and still be good

[MeldinX2]

Publicado originalmente por BigJ:

Publicado originalmente por MeldinX2:

I acually think the changes is for the better overall. Sure it might make the races feel abit less unique. But on the other hand it gives players alot more freedom of choice and not have to feel they have to choose between a good character or changing the race to something they don't want to play. The race specific things are still plenty with unique racials and alot of race specific dialouge.

In the name of freedom eventually race perks like darkvision or breath weapons will also not be race dependant.

Mechanics should be tied to lore and this breaks that...hard.

Except this is not the case here.

[Ronin Gamer]

Publicado originalmente por Farsha:

Tasha did the same for DnD 5e and most people use that rule.
New version of the One DnD will have something very similar to BG3.
And nothing got destroyed it opens up more builds no more soft lock classes to races, that was actually an insult.
Want to be charismatic Gnome to bad they all have bonus to INT.
Or really dexterous Half-Orc too bad they are all just Strong.
That was an real instult.
Stupid pointless limitation that had not benefit to anyone's Roleplay or imagination.

Those baked in bonuses don't take away from your score count on the assigning points page, just assign the points how you want to. Even if you don't assign them to the bonus that's baked in you could still build them how you want and then have a minor bonus in their stat bonus.
Unique builds could be made with the baked in stat bonuses just as easily, but for some reason a ton of people got pissy about power gaming antics when those bonuses really don't take anything away from building a character.

[Blurp]

removing racial abilities will increase the race diversity
now i am not forced to pick certain race to have optimal build
i can just run with what i want, be it aesthetically or lorewise

[Piderman]

Just wanted to throw a question in: so if Races now have no unique stats or abilities, does that also mean that everyone moves with the same speed, no matter the size?

[Quadsword]

Is there any reason to pick human at this point? The main thing humans had going for them before was that they got a free +1 to all ability scores, but that's gone now, and there's no variant human so no free feat.

[Farsha]

Publicado originalmente por Piderman:

Just wanted to throw a question in: so if Races now have no unique stats or abilities, does that also mean that everyone moves with the same speed, no matter the size?

No it's just that +2 and +1 stat bonus can be put where ever you want, all other racial features remain. Actually we will get more for some races to compensate for this.
Like humans will get light armor and polearms proficiencies it seems.
OP is just being stupid, nothing is destroyed, it opens many new options how to play.

[Aoroi]

Publicado originalmente por Piderman:

Just wanted to throw a question in: so if Races now have no unique stats or abilities, does that also mean that everyone moves with the same speed, no matter the size?

No, they will still have unique stuff, just not as many "negative marks" on their stat blocks. Some races have an increased movement speed, due to their nature like felines or avians, while others now get increases in their AC through thick hides or shells. They also "buff" standard humans to even the playing field by giving them more free feats I believe.

Then there is the lore censoring, but that is not related to this post.

[Dragon Master]

Publicado originalmente por Ronin Gamer:

Publicado originalmente por Farsha:

Tasha did the same for DnD 5e and most people use that rule.
New version of the One DnD will have something very similar to BG3.
And nothing got destroyed it opens up more builds no more soft lock classes to races, that was actually an insult.
Want to be charismatic Gnome to bad they all have bonus to INT.
Or really dexterous Half-Orc too bad they are all just Strong.
That was an real instult.
Stupid pointless limitation that had not benefit to anyone's Roleplay or imagination.

Those baked in bonuses don't take away from your score count on the assigning points page, just assign the points how you want to. Even if you don't assign them to the bonus that's baked in you could still build them how you want and then have a minor bonus in their stat bonus.
Unique builds could be made with the baked in stat bonuses just as easily, but for some reason a ton of people got pissy about power gaming antics when those bonuses really don't take anything away from building a character.

Especially when those "power gaming" aspects that they were complaining about only amounted to a 5% difference in accuracy at lower levels, and only at lower levels.

Let's take BG3 for example, if the floating +2+1 were never applied. I could make a gnome druid. No benefits to wisdom at all. I would, at most, have 14 or 15 wisdom (functionally the same thing) at level 1 using point buy.

By level 12, I could easily have 20 wisdom using the ASI every 4 levels so really my gnome druid would not be that far behind the human, dwarf or half-elf who use the +1 wisdom to start out at 16, which is really only a +1 modifier, and on a d20 that's only a 5% increase.

Thanks to bounded accuracy in 5E it wasn't really that big of a drop. Big enough for players to tell, small enough that it shouldn't have mattered.

Yet people just couldn't get over the fact that they couldn't see a 16 or 17 in character creator for some races for some classes and accept the tradeoff as playing as that race with all of its other benefits in exchange for a slightly weaker start.

[Ronin Gamer]

Publicado originalmente por Piderman:

Just wanted to throw a question in: so if Races now have no unique stats or abilities, does that also mean that everyone moves with the same speed, no matter the size?

I think it's stats only, not abilities. Those that have dark vision in BG3 still have it, so movement speed is probably still there, but I haven't had the chance to play with this change so I don't have the full knowledge on everything that was changed. It's possible.
Personally I hope not.

A ton of people keep talking about this change giving everyone more choice, but honestly it just makes the races/species choice more boring. If that goes to the abilities too, 90% of people are going to pick dark vision which isn't diversity of choice, that's power gaming.

[HozzMidnight]

I don't like the change at all. Humans and Half Elves are pointless.