So is Ranger really that bad?

[Terrapin]

I really wanted to Play a Beastmaster Ranger but every where I look, Ranger listed as C tier or I see comments like "Druid and Ranger are the worst classes in BG3".

Now, I know min/maxing isn't necessary in this game the adage "play what you want" rings true but I would prefer not to be gimped by my class choice.

So, is Ranger and Druid that bad and is there any chance of them getting any love upon full release?

[82]

Originally posted by Terrapin:

I really wanted to Play a Beastmaster Ranger but every where I look, Ranger listed as C tier or I see comments like "Druid and Ranger are the worst classes in BG3".

Now, I know min/maxing isn't necessary in this game the adage "play what you want" rings true but I would prefer not to be gimped by my class choice.

So, is Ranger and Druid that bad and is there any chance of them getting any love upon full release?

Used to play ranger my last act 1 progression. So you just shoot arrows and do damage. BUT, as I read at DnD 3.5 rules (as I know its used in BG3).. especially I looked for lategame spells. So you will get something like rain of arrows at the high levels. It will be more funny but still you will shoot arrows over and over again. Thats my point of view.

I will go in with oathbreaker paladin next thursday :D Wonna create smth Arthas looking champ, oathbreaker, and learn "talk to death" spell because its animation is cute :D Lets hope I will find sindragosa like ally too xd

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by 82:

Originally posted by Terrapin:

I really wanted to Play a Beastmaster Ranger but every where I look, Ranger listed as C tier or I see comments like "Druid and Ranger are the worst classes in BG3".

Now, I know min/maxing isn't necessary in this game the adage "play what you want" rings true but I would prefer not to be gimped by my class choice.

So, is Ranger and Druid that bad and is there any chance of them getting any love upon full release?

Used to play ranger my last act 1 progression. So you just shoot arrows and do damage. BUT, as I read at DnD 3.5 rules (as I know its used in BG3)? especially spells. So you will get lategame spells something like rain of arrows at so. It will be more funny but still you will shoot arrows over and over again. Thats my point of view.

I will go in with oathbreaker paladin this thursday :D Wonna create smth Arthas looking champ, oathbreaker, and learn "talk to death" spell because its animation is cute :D Lets hope I will find sindragosa like ally too xd

BG3 is based in 5E now 3.5 but beast master isn't bad I have played them and they buffed the pets with fun new skills at lvl 5 so far

[82]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by 82:

Used to play ranger my last act 1 progression. So you just shoot arrows and do damage. BUT, as I read at DnD 3.5 rules (as I know its used in BG3)? especially spells. So you will get lategame spells something like rain of arrows at so. It will be more funny but still you will shoot arrows over and over again. Thats my point of view.

I will go in with oathbreaker paladin this thursday :D Wonna create smth Arthas looking champ, oathbreaker, and learn "talk to death" spell because its animation is cute :D Lets hope I will find sindragosa like ally too xd

BG3 is based in 5E now 3.5 but beast master isn't bad I have played them and they buffed the pets with fun new skills at lvl 5 so far

Oh yeah. 5E... sorry for misstyping

[stranger1982]

Originally posted by Lucky Mud:

Eh.. They pretty much just shoot a bow.
They don't have a ton of utility, and as bruisers they are far from the head of the class.

Sadly, I'd rank them at role-play tier.

But Minsc is a Ranger :(

[Edstyles]

Yes your boar as a beast master ranger level 5 learns the ability to rage becoming a barbarian with 2 attacks per turn with frenzied strike which gives them advantage + the rage bonuses. Pets dont use consentration and dont cost an action to use...Combined with ranger getting 2 attacks.

if you add that damage to the ranger and utility of having an additional meatwall in the team for threat bonuses. Skill bonuses etc. You got yourself a really good martial class.
Personally i think ranger is top tier martial class.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Mosey:

Whatever you are reading is wrong.

Druids are potentially the best class in the game, and Ranger's are basically rogue fighters with the right picks or you can summon pets and you can back them up with your own attacks.

For some reason, most people don't factor the pet damage and the rangers damage into the same round. Really weird stuff, but it's quite good especially with the minor and major pet out.

I think part of that is because it eats into your action economy on TT, but in BG3, that's a non-issue, and BM rangers are at least equivalent to a Colossus Slayer Hunter.

[Quadsword]

Originally posted by Mosey:

Whatever you are reading is wrong.

Druids are potentially the best class in the game, and Ranger's are basically rogue fighters with the right picks or you can summon pets and you can back them up with your own attacks.

For some reason, most people don't factor the pet damage and the rangers damage into the same round. Really weird stuff, but it's quite good especially with the minor and major pet out.

Which druid subclass are we talking about? Because circle of the moon is probably the worst druid subclass. You're basically a martial fighter that doesn't get extra attacks, fighting styles, or supplementary abilities like superiority die or rage. Maybe it's better if you multiclass with barbarian since rage can be used while wildshaping.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Quadsword:

Originally posted by Mosey:

Whatever you are reading is wrong.

Druids are potentially the best class in the game, and Ranger's are basically rogue fighters with the right picks or you can summon pets and you can back them up with your own attacks.

For some reason, most people don't factor the pet damage and the rangers damage into the same round. Really weird stuff, but it's quite good especially with the minor and major pet out.

Which druid subclass are we talking about? Because circle of the moon is probably the worst druid subclass. You're basically a martial fighter that doesn't get extra attacks, fighting styles, or supplementary abilities like superiority die or rage. Maybe it's better if you multiclass with barbarian since rage can be used while wildshaping.

We have no idea if they will allow that or not in BG3 it should be possible but in the past they have botched allowing us to recast concentration spells, im hoping that is fixed but im not gonna say its a for sure thing that exist in launch either haha

[Tothe]

Originally posted by Terrapin:

I really wanted to Play a Beastmaster Ranger but every where I look, Ranger listed as C tier or I see comments like "Druid and Ranger are the worst classes in BG3".

Now, I know min/maxing isn't necessary in this game the adage "play what you want" rings true but I would prefer not to be gimped by my class choice.

So, is Ranger and Druid that bad and is there any chance of them getting any love upon full release?

I mean my current ranger in my table top game smacks. Just get the sharpshooter feat. With 2 arrows at lvl 7 I was hitting around 40-50 damage a turn. Not as much as a figter/barb/pally but still pretty damn decent. I'm also a drakewarden on that character which is weaker than other ranger subclasses.

[Chaosolous]

Play to have fun, I'm sure you can find builds and party groupings that will allow for enjoyment regardless. Larian Studios has my full trust after the DoS games.

[Edstyles]

Problem being alot of people here havent even tried ranger ingame im sure and just go by tabletop standards and end up giving alot of misinformation.

Here is a little video showing the core stuff of beast master ranger. Mind you the guy isnt very good at what he is doing but shows off the class at least so you can see how strong the pets are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9r-Gck6qC8

[Minnzy]

Rangers have always struggled because they were always inferior to another class. Want to be awesome at range? Fighter has you beat! Want to be awesome at utility? Rogue has you beat. Maybe a good combination of both? Still Rogue. Now in 5e they're the only class with a proper animal companion when historically Driuds also had them and they were better.

I'd say focus on your animal companion and pull off some nice combos to set yourself apart from your companions

I can't speak for Druids in 5e but historically they stood alongside Clerics and Wizards as S tier classes so I'd hate to imagine they've been ruined that much.

[Occursus]

Beast Master is actually decent nowadays - even on Tabletop - with all the modifications over the year.

Most of what you read would be mostly outdated.

As for the Rangers in BG3, they are actually quite decent, even strong.

First, they forgo most of the titular abilities of the Rangers regarding environment from the Tabletop in exchange for much more applicable Skills or Bonus or even Resistance.

Second, the Beast Master has been revised ; now, you change your Animal Companion often and without any drawback, a bit like the Find Familiar spell. Each can be used in specific scenarios to help out in battle. Moreover, the Animal Companions get new abilities as they level up - just like you do. Those abilities can be quite strong and help keeping the Animal Companion relevant, at least up to level 5 in Early Access.

[GrimAtrament]

rangers have the problem where everyone does what they do. archery rogue and fighter both can do it better.

nature magic. exists druid
paladin being a mixed caster escapes this with it's smites.
Ranger doesn't really have anything that's unqiuely it's own.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Minnzy:

Rangers have always struggled because they were always inferior to another class. Want to be awesome at range? Fighter has you beat! Want to be awesome at utility? Rogue has you beat. Maybe a good combination of both? Still Rogue. Now in 5e they're the only class with a proper animal companion when historically Driuds also had them and they were better.

I'd say focus on your animal companion and pull off some nice combos to set yourself apart from your companions

I can't speak for Druids in 5e but historically they stood alongside Clerics and Wizards as S tier classes so I'd hate to imagine they've been ruined that much.

They had this problem when rangers came out but we gave them feedback and they buffed them they are not as bad as the TT renditions of Ranger, its a solid class. Perhaps not a Meta or min max class but entirely viable and fun.