How immersive is the world?

[Paddy]

I feel like I'm about to pull the plug and but this game and just have a few more questions. How immersive is the game world? Do the NPC's have actual lives like Red dead redemption 2 and Kingdom come deliverance? In Kingdom come because the world was so detailed I remember coming up with a way to get money quickly. I robbed a town's barracks as they slept in their beds. I love games that allow this type of choice with gameplay and have such an depth world where NPC's have their own lives which you can then exploit. Is this game similar in this layer of depth?

[Paddy]

Originally posted by VolcanoSheep:

Originally posted by Paddy:

I feel embarrassed for those claiming it is going to be one of the best RPG's in an entire generation. It's clearly very niche and more of an alternative RPG. It shouldn't be compared to the big hitters

You shouldn't though as it comes across as very much my way or the high way.

RPG means different things to different people. for me in an RPG my actions need to have consequences and I need to have multiple options for progressing rather than just combat. Day night cycle means absolutely nothing in most games and its more immersive to me when NPCs have a story and background to what their doing over watching them walk between the same few shops and eat bread.

I've never said this will be the best RPG ever but to pretend like KCD and RDR2 are the bar to compare everything against is some straight up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Yea but it's clear this RPG is for a more specific audience than the likes of RDR2 and Starfield so why on earth compare this game to those? It's a more graphical modern of a early 2000's game style. There is NOTHING innovative

As for day/night cycles mean nothing to you in terms of gameplay. That is because you haven't played a game where it's implemented well. Where it's almost essential for stealth missions.

Also if you think NPC's having live cycles doesn't effect you the player I think it is VERY clear you have never played many of these games where again it is implemented well.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Nats:

The devs say that you can talk to anyone and make a new path. This is probably not true. Some NPCs will open up new tasks. Just like The Witcher etc.

Here you talk to even the main characters in your party and repeat the same choices after a few attempts to chat. So far I have seen a very linear game but I have only played a little way through. There are choices but there is also a clear progression path. Its not likely to be a massively revolutionary game.

But like I say no-one knows because no-one has played the full game yet. it may completely change. But somehow I doubt that very much.

I think there will be mostly linear paths and some open locations where you can spend a bit of time with no fixed objectives. Nothing very new. But all these games are the same. The difference here is the characterisation and story are first class, and you have a lot of opportunity to role play and choose a varied play style. Plus it follwos D&D 5th Ed very closely with in depth turn based initiative ordered combat which is very nice.

I think The Witcher is the most open rpg I've played so far but I think this will be a good game. Just not as revolutionary as some people seem to think. The fact they have GBs of video cutscenes means its got to be fairly linear which some branching.

I can assure you there are FAR more open and immersive worlds than the Witcher. You should definitely try Kingdom come deliverence as it will be a game changer.

[VolcanoSheep]

I've played every game that's been mentioned in this thread and I even really enjoy KC:D but I don't think anyone has been comparing those games to this bar you and like you said why on earth would you compare them.

BG3 is an RPG based off of a table top game and in terms of making decisions and branching consequences it stated to be the best of it's kind. Now we'll see whether that's true on launch or not but it definitely has the potential to be one of the best RPGs ever released as a video game.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by VolcanoSheep:

I've played every game that's been mentioned in this thread and I even really enjoy KC:D but I don't think anyone has been comparing those games to this bar you and like you said why on earth would you compare them.

BG3 is an RPG based off of a table top game and in terms of making decisions and branching consequences it stated to be the best of it's kind. Now we'll see whether that's true on launch or not but it definitely has the potential to be one of the best RPGs ever released as a video game.

As I said the only reason i heard of this game was because of a few YouTube channels I have seen hyping it as the biggest RPG of this generation and even being compared to Starfield by many in the comments section. It's clear this game is being overhyped. I thought It was something else entirely because of the hype. I now appreciate what this game is, a more niche DND type game for a specific audience

[IchbrauchdasfuerEnderal]

Issue is that RDR and Kingdom Come doesn't allow you to realy roleplay. You always play Arthur Morgan or Heinrich. And in Elder Scrolls you can create a character, but every character plays the same. A CRPG like Baldurs Gate alllows me to play a role as I want.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by IchbrauchdasfuerEnderal:

Issue is that RDR and Kingdom Come doesn't allow you to realy roleplay. You always play Arthur Morgan or Heinrich. And in Elder Scrolls you can create a character, but every character plays the same. A CRPG like Baldurs Gate alllows me to play a role as I want.

That is true to an extent. You are always playing Henry and Arthur but in Henry's case you can be alot of things at once due to how Dynamic the world is. I once poisoned an entire enemy camp when I sneaked into their camp at night and put some poison in their food pot. When they woke up the next morning and had breakfast they all died within a few hours. That's just an example. There's so many ways to play when the world is this dynamic. Once you experience a game world like this it sets a new bar

[Paddy]

OK so I was just watching a video from someone who has actually played the release version who has seen what the game world is like in a city and he said it was very impressive. That around half of the NPCS's are interactible with thousands of hours of content. That's impressive and would surely add some life. I just don't understand why they don't have some day/night cycle. Even Assassins Creed has this where NPC behavior is affected by it. At least for some night stealth missions

[DietTTE]

Baldur's Gate 3 is a Roleplaying Game in the highest sense. It is Dungeons and Dragons in Video Game form. The game allows you to come at any situation however you want, with multiple dialogue options and combat strategies that affect how everybody else sees you. This sounds like some random marketing jargin, but as somebody who has played the Early Access extensively and talked to people who have played the Full Release version. It is all true. Baldur's Gate 3 is dynamic, more dynamic than RDR2 and KCD, just in a different way.

Here is an interview that was done discussing this topic with one of the Devs from Larian:

"During the original Divinity: Original Sin crowdfunding campaign on Kickstarter, the very last stretch goal mentioned a day and night cycle, NPC schedules and weather systems. All of these could have impacted NPCs, monsters and magic. Do you still discuss the possibility of making a truly simulated game world at some point in the future?

Adam: I do in my own head constantly. I think it's a very different game. One of my favorite games of all time is Ultima Seven and it was the first game that I played that had proper NPC behaviors. You could wait for someone to go to the pub and then you could rob their shop. I love stuff like that, but a game that's built like that does very different things. We are very, very story focused as well and there's things that you lose. Also: multiplayer. We're a multiplayer game and day-night cycles in multiplayer becomes incredibly complicated. We're doing so many really complex things already that we know are going to be really good that, on top of that, it wouldn't fit this game.

I love simulated worlds and we have a lot of that stuff in there. We don't do the day-night cycle but we do the things where things in the world happen because you caused them to happen and they can happen off-screen. So, there are things happening off-screen. The world isn't just what you see on your screen. There are events that happen and things that will, because of the choices you've made, things will happen elsewhere. Those are real, those are systemic. Our systems are running in the background the whole time. There are incredibly deep systems. Some of them don't make sense for this game, but yeah, we think about it and we've talked about it."

tldr; At the end of the day BG3 is a different game with different systems, but just because it has different systems doesn't mean it is not dynamic.

Hope this suffices as an explanation for why people are so hyped about this game.

[AdahnGorion]

Very immersive for me, but it really depends on how you define immersive.

[nobalkain]

Originally posted by dolby:

Originally posted by nobalkain:

When you do that you get Star Citizen. Trying to constantly make the "Perfect Game" ends in nothing getting made.

again got nothing to do with what i'm talking about that just a project without a proper pre-production -plan...and one bad example

and i added this to my last comment but your replayed already....:

that's like saying we should stop improving cars just cos bikes still exist and people still love bikes...

Immersive games are giants that sale gazillion 10 - 40+ million copies... and they have mods that add even more immersion and those numbers matter more than my or your opinion... but ok it's to late now anyway, so i dont really want to waste to much time talking about topics like this. IT is what it is and it wont change now.

Not everyone likes Immersion in every RPG they play, nor does everyone think your Type of Immersion is what they want. Your entire argument is based on thinking every person considers what you like to be an improvement. Your failure to understand something so simple is the issue.

[Brian Sirith]

@OP Decent. There’s no feel of distance at least in EA otherwise it’s nice.

[Knightspace]

Originally posted by DietTTE:

Hope this suffices as an explanation for why people are so hyped about this game.

People aren't hyped about it because of what you quoted, that's been literally all talk from every CRPG developer.

People are hyped, as it's an Early Access game, bearing the name (if not necessarily the feel) of a legendary series of retro games, that will actually come out, wasn't a massive failure during the EA and is developed by a respectable studio. Youtubers spamming videos about it and pretty weird marketing focusing on sexual stuff doesn't hurt either.

I mean, i can't really see why folks proclaim it's going to be some groundbreaking game, as it's a Larian title. It will be very good, for sure, but overhyping isn't something we should be spreading.

[dolby]

Originally posted by nobalkain:

Originally posted by dolby:

again got nothing to do with what i'm talking about that just a project without a proper pre-production -plan...and one bad example

and i added this to my last comment but your replayed already....:

that's like saying we should stop improving cars just cos bikes still exist and people still love bikes...

Immersive games are giants that sale gazillion 10 - 40+ million copies... and they have mods that add even more immersion and those numbers matter more than my or your opinion... but ok it's to late now anyway, so i dont really want to waste to much time talking about topics like this. IT is what it is and it wont change now.

Not everyone likes Immersion in every RPG they play, nor does everyone think your Type of Immersion is what they want. Your entire argument is based on thinking every person considers what you like to be an improvement. Your failure to understand something so simple is the issue.

no that's not the porblem at all the problem is you think you are in majority... with your opinion when in it's the other way around.. seeing as this is hard to prove over the internet forum we have nothing to talk about.. Anyway, like is said i'll take the best selling rpgs as examples you can take txt rpgs i guess lol

[DietTTE]

Originally posted by nobalkain:

Originally posted by dolby:

again got nothing to do with what i'm talking about that just a project without a proper pre-production -plan...and one bad example

and i added this to my last comment but your replayed already....:

that's like saying we should stop improving cars just cos bikes still exist and people still love bikes...

Immersive games are giants that sale gazillion 10 - 40+ million copies... and they have mods that add even more immersion and those numbers matter more than my or your opinion... but ok it's to late now anyway, so i dont really want to waste to much time talking about topics like this. IT is what it is and it wont change now.

Not everyone likes Immersion in every RPG they play, nor does everyone think your Type of Immersion is what they want. Your entire argument is based on thinking every person considers what you like to be an improvement. Your failure to understand something so simple is the issue.

Don't really understand this.

Anybody who actually wants to do the roleplaying part of an RPG wants immersion.
I think what you meant to say was that BG3 just has a different way that it immerses people which is separate from other big RPGs.

[Damphair]

I don't understand how you can compare this game with RDR or KCD, it's completely different types of games. This just smells of troll.