Dark urge = Bhaal spawn

[kitsune87]

The pattern of violent urges is there in the player character in BG 1 and 2.

[ihatevnecks]

Bhaal's already back and alive in the Realms, why does he need another Bhaal spawn? For all we know the dark urge = Bhaal himself, since he effectively disappeared about as quickly as he was resurrected :)

[kitsune87]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Bhaal's already back and alive in the Realms, why does he need another Bhaal spawn? For all we know the dark urge = Bhaal himself, since he effectively disappeared about as quickly as he was resurrected :)

Just cause Bhaal is back doesn't mean there wouldn't be Bhaal spawn, Bhaal would have been around when they were made soo him being dead isn't a requirement for them to be around.

[Red Shirt]

Originally posted by kitsune87:

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Bhaal's already back and alive in the Realms, why does he need another Bhaal spawn? For all we know the dark urge = Bhaal himself, since he effectively disappeared about as quickly as he was resurrected :)

Just cause Bhaal is back doesn't mean there wouldn't be Bhaal spawn, Bhaal would have been around when they were made soo him being dead isn't a requirement for them to be around.

True. Obviously the spawn thing worked for him before. Why not double down?

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by kitsune87:

Just cause Bhaal is back doesn't mean there wouldn't be Bhaal spawn, Bhaal would have been around when they were made soo him being dead isn't a requirement for them to be around.

Sure, it's possible he could create more Bhaalspawn.. maybe? He's also no longer a full god like he was the first time around. Plus he was only resurrected 10 years prior to BG3, when the last two Bhaalspawn died per official Realms lore.

Not saying it's impossible, just that it's not the guarantee you seem to think it is :)

[Red Shirt]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Originally posted by kitsune87:

Just cause Bhaal is back doesn't mean there wouldn't be Bhaal spawn, Bhaal would have been around when they were made soo him being dead isn't a requirement for them to be around.

Sure, it's possible he could create more Bhaalspawn.. maybe? He's also no longer a full god like he was the first time around. Plus he was only resurrected 10 years prior to BG3, when the last two Bhaalspawn died per official Realms lore.

Not saying it's impossible, just that it's not the guarantee you seem to think it is :)

Maybe he orchestrated his spawn being taken by the mindflayers so he could cultivate more power?

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Sure, it's possible he could create more Bhaalspawn.. maybe? He's also no longer a full god like he was the first time around. Plus he was only resurrected 10 years prior to BG3, when the last two Bhaalspawn died per official Realms lore.

Not saying it's impossible, just that it's not the guarantee you seem to think it is :)

Maybe he orchestrated his spawn being taken by the mindflayers so he could cultivate more power?

Well given his reduced power level I'm not sure involving himself with mind flayers is the best idea. Plus our character's not 10 years old.

Also he doesn't really get power from the Bhaalspawn - if anything it reduced him, as their whole point was to divvy up his essence into a bunch of vessels that, ultimately, would be drawn to kill each other. Once that happened the last one would turn into his avatar, and he would be resurrected. He did that during the Time of Troubles because he expected his death as a very likely outcome.

So sure, doing it again as an insurance policy isn't necessarily a bad idea; but it could also be a terrible one, because he could be diminishing himself even more. He's only a quasi-divinity now, not even a real god, so diluting what power he has may not be the best idea either. Effectively he's just a really powerful mortal right now.

There are many ways Larian can go with this, some of them far more creative than 'just another Bhaalspawn' IMO.

[Red Shirt]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

Maybe he orchestrated his spawn being taken by the mindflayers so he could cultivate more power?

Well given his reduced power level I'm not sure involving himself with mind flayers is the best idea. Plus our character's not 10 years old.

Also he doesn't really get power from the Bhaalspawn - if anything it reduced him, as their whole point was to divvy up his essence into a bunch of vessels that, ultimately, would be drawn to kill each other. Once that happened the last one would turn into his avatar, and he would be resurrected. He did that during the Time of Troubles because he expected his death as a very likely outcome.

So sure, doing it again as an insurance policy isn't necessarily a bad idea; but it could also be a terrible one, because he could be diminishing himself even more. He's only a quasi-divinity now, not even a real god, so diluting what power he has may not be the best idea either.

There are many ways Larian can go with this, some of them far more creative than 'just another Bhaalspawn' IMO.

Unless he created his spawn from magic and merely set things in motion to have them captured. Perhaps he plans to harvest their power once it's reached a level that would promote him to godhood again.

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

Unless he created his spawn from magic and merely set things in motion to have them captured. Perhaps he plans to harvest their power once it's reached a level that would promote him to godhood again.

Sure, or maybe he hired a gnome geneticist to create them, if we're going into pure fanfic territory with this.

The Bhaalspawn were mortal offspring of Bhaal - his literal children, conceived during the Time of Troubles for a very specific purpose. It's cool if you really want to believe the dark urge origin can't be anything other than yet another Bhaalspawn, but I personally believe Larian can get more creative than that. Have fun though :)

[Red Shirt]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

Unless he created his spawn from magic and merely set things in motion to have them captured. Perhaps he plans to harvest their power once it's reached a level that would promote him to godhood again.

Sure, or maybe he hired a gnome geneticist to create them, if we're going into pure fanfic territory with this.

The Bhaalspawn were mortal offspring of Bhaal - his literal children, conceived during the Time of Troubles for a very specific purpose. It's cool if you really want to believe the dark urge origin can't be anything other than yet another Bhaalspawn, but I personally believe Larian can get more creative than that. Have fun though :)

I don't see what was fanfiction about my theory but points for the low effort rudeness. I'm not alone in my ideas about a bhaal link. We'll all find out soon.

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

I don't see what was fanfiction about my theory but points for the low effort rudeness. I'm not alone in my ideas about a bhaal link. We'll all find out soon.

Not being rude really. It's just that we've gone from "as a god he had to create his spawn by breeding with mortal women" to "as a non-god he can now just use magic to wholesale create these beings as fully grown adults." You just gave him a huge leap in power, when he's been massively reduced in power since his resurrection. That's something I'd attribute to fanfic, because it just doesn't make any sense.

Also I never once said anything about there not being a Bhaal link; the teaser video made it obvious there is one. I just said there are many other things they could do besides retreading the same old Bhaalspawn story, including this being Bhaal himself.

[Red Shirt]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

I don't see what was fanfiction about my theory but points for the low effort rudeness. I'm not alone in my ideas about a bhaal link. We'll all find out soon.

Not being rude really. It's just that we've gone from "as a god he had to create his spawn by breeding with mortal women" to "as a non-god he can now just use magic to wholesale create these beings as fully grown adults." You just gave him a huge leap in power, when he's been massively reduced in power since his resurrection. That's something I'd attribute to fanfic, because it just doesn't make any sense.

Also I never once said anything about there not being a Bhaal link; the teaser video made it obvious there is one. I just said there are many other things they could do besides retreading the same old Bhaalspawn story, including this being Bhaal himself.

I like that one. So the vision is some dormant or locked portion of his psyche. That's pretty good and would satisfy a lot of fans of the original. You get to play as the lord of murder.

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

I like that one. So the vision is some dormant or locked portion of his psyche. That's pretty good and would satisfy a lot of fans of the original. You get to play as the lord of murder.

Yep. It could be a body he inhabited, planning on staying dormant for a time - but then the whole illithid kidnapping thing screwed up those plans, so now he's starting to prematurely awaken.

The thing about Bhaal right now is that his resurrection stole back his portfolio of Murder from Cyric, but Cyric is still a full god, so that's a pretty bad enemy for Bhaal to have.

One of the tricks the gods used during the Time of Troubles, when they were exiled to the mortal plane, was to hide in other forms. Some took on the forms of normal avatars, but others hid inside mortals, or as other shapes. Mask, for example, turned into a sword... and then happened to be found by then-human Cyric, who used the sword to kill Bhaal.

[Red Shirt]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Originally posted by Red Shirt:

I like that one. So the vision is some dormant or locked portion of his psyche. That's pretty good and would satisfy a lot of fans of the original. You get to play as the lord of murder.

Yep. It could be a body he inhabited, planning on staying dormant for a time - but then the whole illithid kidnapping thing screwed up those plans, so now he's starting to prematurely awaken.

The thing about Bhaal right now is that his resurrection stole back his portfolio of Murder from Cyric, but Cyric is still a full god, so that's a pretty bad enemy for Bhaal to have.

One of the tricks the gods used during the Time of Troubles, when they were exiled to the mortal plane, was to hide in other forms. Some took on the forms of normal avatars, but others hid inside mortals, or as other shapes. Mask, for example, turned into a sword... and then happened to be found by then-human Cyric, who used the sword to kill Bhaal.

I'm hoping this is it now. Thanks for the lore dump. I love this stuff.