thank god for mods to get us to level 20

[DOOM THE PRIME EVIL]

as there is no way the trash fire level cap being 12 is anything else then being lazy and boring

[CloudKira]

Originally posted by Viper:

get to level 20 why..lol. There is no level 20 content. What a dumb thing to do. No D&D games have a level 1-20 experience.

You mean no 5e D&D games have a 1-20 experience.

BG2, NWN, NWN 2, IWD 2, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Pathfinder WotR...all those games have access to level 20 or higher.

[hannibal_pjv]

It is easy to put stat / feat levels and profession bonus. Adding spells and other custom class features… those would be real pain in the *** to mod…

[soul like that be capable of]

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Originally posted by Viper:

get to level 20 why..lol. There is no level 20 content. What a dumb thing to do. No D&D games have a level 1-20 experience.

You mean no 5e D&D games have a 1-20 experience.

BG2, NWN, NWN 2, IWD 2, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Pathfinder WotR...all those games have access to level 20 or higher.

if dev stay true to 5e then max level is 20 and 100% sure you prob never hit 20 even with DLC or expansion unless the dev start playing with the rules of what happens after level 20 which i dont mind since everyone want to experience highest level of adventure. if the dev really going to give us DLC where you can be be 20+ then rules of game literally need to be made by dev. i looked at some info alot saying once you hit 20 you basically retire that hero

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Originally posted by Viper:

get to level 20 why..lol. There is no level 20 content. What a dumb thing to do. No D&D games have a level 1-20 experience.

You mean no 5e D&D games have a 1-20 experience.

BG2, NWN, NWN 2, IWD 2, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Pathfinder WotR...all those games have access to level 20 or higher.

BG2 isn't a 1-20 experience, it starts at level 7-9 or so and may carry you past 20 before ToB if you're a certain class.

IWD2 won't take you much past level 16-17 unless you do multiple playthroughs with the same party.

Pathfinder isn't DnD.

They're not correct that no DnD content exists at 20, but you've significantly exaggerated the number of games that actually do take you that far. Level 12 is a pretty normal cap for a DnD campaign.

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Lord_WC:

Originally posted by Deviant:

reading is hard i see i am not saying how they should play their game i said it would be broken learn to read

No? You are telling him that whatever he would like to do is breaking the 'balance' of a single player game.

and how exactly that translates to me telling him how to play the game? i only said what would happen in the game seriously you ever finished elementary school? like you just dont understand basic english

[soul like that be capable of]

Originally posted by Deviant:

Originally posted by Lord_WC:

No? You are telling him that whatever he would like to do is breaking the 'balance' of a single player game.

and how exactly that translates to me telling him how to play the game? i only said what would happen in the game seriously you ever finished elementary school? like you just dont understand basic english

according to D&D 5e max level is 20 but there is no xp cap so you can progress above level 20 its just not possible with set of rules 5e has so you basically have to go into unkown to create an adventure of enough meaning to do 20+ . 20 level you basically a semi god or close to god . why would you ever go in regular world. your adventure will have to be different . So even if mod comes up you wont be playing a real 20+
Best thing i can tell you imagine you are the witcher known warrior among everyone . so Garlet is like level 15-16 in terms of D&D . and he is world famous. now tell me what do you need to do to get level 20+

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

Originally posted by XAru:

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

I mean I understand that D&D characters dont really go far beyond that, and that every level up is truly powerful in it, but honestly? I dont care. I'll also look forward for Mods setting the Cap higher.

it will make it very boring you will outlevel everything unless mods add alot of stuff to do with those powerful levels. check what high end spells do they alter reality and literally destroy full cities . also grind to get those levels will take forever unless mod allow fast leveling.
I would think if they added new game+ once you finished a story that just up everything that could be nice without needing a mod but that prob need so much balancing around 5e rules.

Let me decide what's boring for me. Besides the fact that you severely underestimate modders. They can set levels of enemies to make this possible.
They can also tweak the gained experience.

[CloudKira]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by CloudKira:

You mean no 5e D&D games have a 1-20 experience.

BG2, NWN, NWN 2, IWD 2, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Pathfinder WotR...all those games have access to level 20 or higher.

BG2 isn't a 1-20 experience, it starts at level 7-9 or so and may carry you past 20 before ToB if you're a certain class.

IWD2 won't take you much past level 16-17 unless you do multiple playthroughs with the same party.

Pathfinder isn't DnD.

They're not correct that no DnD content exists at 20, but you've significantly exaggerated the number of games that actually do take you that far. Level 12 is a pretty normal cap for a DnD campaign.

While its true that those games use either 2e or 3e rules aside from BG1 and IWD1 no Forgotten Realms game offered an adventure where you peaked at level 12.

And Pathfinder is based on D&D 3.5 where level 20 is max too. All video games available by Owlcat allow reaching such level if we play a completionist run.

At level 12 at most we won't fight any archmages or liches or ancient dragons in BG3. We might still fight mere orcs till like level 7. Or longer.

So no optional super bosses.

Even Solasta lets us reach 16 level now in 5e.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

BG2 isn't a 1-20 experience, it starts at level 7-9 or so and may carry you past 20 before ToB if you're a certain class.

IWD2 won't take you much past level 16-17 unless you do multiple playthroughs with the same party.

Pathfinder isn't DnD.

They're not correct that no DnD content exists at 20, but you've significantly exaggerated the number of games that actually do take you that far. Level 12 is a pretty normal cap for a DnD campaign.

While its true that those games use either 2e or 3e rules aside from BG1 and IWD1 no Forgotten Realms game offered an adventure where you peaked at level 12.

And Pathfinder is based on D&D 3.5 where level 20 is max too. All video games available by Owlcat allow reaching such level if we play a completionist run.

At level 12 at most we won't fight any archmages or liches or ancient dragons in BG3. We might still fight mere orcs till like level 7. Or longer.

So no optional super bosses.

Cool, so the devs have a distinct scope of the adventure in mind, rather than arbitrarily throwing epic scale encounters into their game just cause. Sounds good to me.

[soul like that be capable of]

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

Originally posted by XAru:

it will make it very boring you will outlevel everything unless mods add alot of stuff to do with those powerful levels. check what high end spells do they alter reality and literally destroy full cities . also grind to get those levels will take forever unless mod allow fast leveling.
I would think if they added new game+ once you finished a story that just up everything that could be nice without needing a mod but that prob need so much balancing around 5e rules.

Let me decide what's boring for me. Besides the fact that you severely underestimate modders. They can set levels of enemies to make this possible.
They can also tweak the gained experience.

you need a modder who know rules very well to set you up for a good mod and i am sure people are there but its alot of work you are asking . it will prob take months

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

BG2 isn't a 1-20 experience, it starts at level 7-9 or so and may carry you past 20 before ToB if you're a certain class.

IWD2 won't take you much past level 16-17 unless you do multiple playthroughs with the same party.

Pathfinder isn't DnD.

They're not correct that no DnD content exists at 20, but you've significantly exaggerated the number of games that actually do take you that far. Level 12 is a pretty normal cap for a DnD campaign.

While its true that those games use either 2e or 3e rules aside from BG1 and IWD1 no Forgotten Realms game offered an adventure where you peaked at level 12.

And Pathfinder is based on D&D 3.5 where level 20 is max too. All video games available by Owlcat allow reaching such level if we play a completionist run.

At level 12 at most we won't fight any archmages or liches or ancient dragons in BG3. We might still fight mere orcs till like level 7. Or longer.

So no optional super bosses.

Even Solasta lets us reach 16 level now in 5e.

Well, we do see a Dracolich in one of the trailers, so there will certiantly be epic encounters in this game of some kind.

I personally hope for encounters like that witch in Divinity 2 who will kill your shining lights nigh-instantly if you aproach her unprepared

[Lord_WC]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by CloudKira:

While its true that those games use either 2e or 3e rules aside from BG1 and IWD1 no Forgotten Realms game offered an adventure where you peaked at level 12.

And Pathfinder is based on D&D 3.5 where level 20 is max too. All video games available by Owlcat allow reaching such level if we play a completionist run.

At level 12 at most we won't fight any archmages or liches or ancient dragons in BG3. We might still fight mere orcs till like level 7. Or longer.

So no optional super bosses.

Cool, so the devs have a distinct scope of the adventure in mind, rather than arbitrarily throwing epic scale encounters into their game just cause. Sounds good to me.

That's not the total truth.
Game likely has more than enough xp to get higher than 12 based on 5E ruleset (if it didn't they wouldn't talk about level cap but about how you will reach level 12). So the whole pacing of the game is just off compared to tabletop. You are spending way more time and way more content on each level than you would in tabletop which is just poor game desing and doesn't sound good.

[soul like that be capable of]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by CloudKira:

While its true that those games use either 2e or 3e rules aside from BG1 and IWD1 no Forgotten Realms game offered an adventure where you peaked at level 12.

And Pathfinder is based on D&D 3.5 where level 20 is max too. All video games available by Owlcat allow reaching such level if we play a completionist run.

At level 12 at most we won't fight any archmages or liches or ancient dragons in BG3. We might still fight mere orcs till like level 7. Or longer.

So no optional super bosses.

Cool, so the devs have a distinct scope of the adventure in mind, rather than arbitrarily throwing epic scale encounters into their game just cause. Sounds good to me.

i am sure we will get ot level 20 with expension and DLC as time goes on . level 12 is very high in D&D since most adva goes to level 7-10. in modern gaming level 12 seems low since most games allow you to get to level 50 60 70 even 100. but in this world level 12 you as powerful as person can be in the world . you are not someone will take on you lightly

[Tawm]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

Originally posted by XAru:

it will make it very boring you will outlevel everything unless mods add alot of stuff to do with those powerful levels. check what high end spells do they alter reality and literally destroy full cities .

Oh no, how horrible!

Yes, that's "horrible." You're effectively removing fail states from the game by turning into a god. Where's the fun in that? It's basically the same as returning to a level 1 area at level 50 in a more typical RPG and just steamrolling everything, except it'll be like that, presumably, for most of the game's content. Modders have a lot of work ahead of them if they want to make a cohesive experience past the intended level cap.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by Lord_WC:

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Cool, so the devs have a distinct scope of the adventure in mind, rather than arbitrarily throwing epic scale encounters into their game just cause. Sounds good to me.

That's not the total truth.
Game likely has more than enough xp to get higher than 12 based on 5E ruleset (if it didn't they wouldn't talk about level cap but about how you will reach level 12). So the whole pacing of the game is just off compared to tabletop. You are spending way more time and way more content than you would in tabletop which is just poor game desing and doesn't sound good.

You have no idea how much XP is in this game.