Baldurs Gate 3 VS WOTR

[Darkreaver1980]

I wonder what is different in Baldurs Gate 3?

IN WOTR you can play till lvl 20 and then you can even continue to level, while in baldurs gate 3, it only goes to lvl 12, so its a very short game?!

What does Baldurs Gate 3 do better than WOTR? i currently find it very hard to justify buying BG 3 when i could just play WOTR?

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Publicado originalmente por Zeption™:

yes WOTR offers more level its true and more in Deep character creation

I dunno, I'm certainly not a PF expert, but from what I've seen and tried, it felt more wide then deep to be honest...But that might just be my very limited view of it, because I got bored of wotr pretty quickly anyway, and didn't spend that much time reading into the TT ruleset, as I'm usually pretty busy already as is...

[Hobocop]

Publicado originalmente por Zzyl_tsw:

* my first playthrough in Blackwater was quite hard, because i had just removed all lightning spells from my build just before entering it .....

I put a certain cantrip on autocast and went AFK with the same buff stack I'd slowly been adding to for 25 hours.

Until they tried to pull a fast one halfway through, then I put Coup De Grace on autocast.

[RoboSauce]

Publicado originalmente por SneakyGuy:

Publicado originalmente por His Dudeness:

BG3 doesn't have that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crusade mode. So it's better in every way.

Yep, the bane of pathfinder games is the secondary strategy layer. And they seem to think they should keep doing it. And they trying to do it in Rogue Trader too.

Raising my hand in agreement on this point as well, the Owlcat and Obsidian (PoE) games have the mini-game thing happening, and I didn't sign up for that. nor do I want to deal with it. I do think perhaps the romance aspect may act as a mini-game, but I hope it's not something you are forced to play throughout and can even avoid.

[Terron]

Publicado originalmente por Recjawjind:

Publicado originalmente por Darkreaver1980:

Dont get me wrong, the divine games where absoluty epic.

Its just that BG 3 and WOTR use the same rule set. So i try to compare both of them

They arent though
its 5e vs pf
And its RTwP (which focuses on just slaughtering trashmobs in plain, 2d fights with nothing unique really going on) vs extremely curated and handcrafted TB, which larian is an absolute master of

The early access has a ton of fights, and I can remember every single one of them vividly, because they are all unique and interesting.

Im guessing you played on story mode? WOTR has fantastic combat. Baldurs Gate 3 has far far less depth to individual character builds and options compared to WOTR. Both games have very good combat. You also neglect to mention that BG 3 combat is also far far slower than WOTR. Its personal taste. I love WOTR and think BG3 is very good so far but out of the two I much prefer pathfinder.

[Sleepy]

Publicado originalmente por Ersatz:

You can get to level 100 in Diablo 4 (if you hate yourself, I mean), which suggests that BG3 is only going to be 12% the size of Blizzard's game.

Everyone is talking about how D4 is pretty content light, so now I'm really worried about whether Larian can actually deliver a fun experience with the game being so short. I mean, what's it going to be? Walking up the beach and punching the Absolute?

You win, game over, buy the DLC I guess.

SMH.

Tell me you've never played D&D without telling me you've never played D&D.

[Necrosian]

Publicado originalmente por Terron:

Im guessing you played on story mode? WOTR has fantastic combat. Baldurs Gate 3 has far far less depth to individual character builds and options compared to WOTR. Both games have very good combat. You also neglect to mention that BG 3 combat is also far far slower than WOTR. Its personal taste. I love WOTR and think BG3 is very good so far but out of the two I much prefer pathfinder.

Playing WOTR on core now and combat is essentially "buff up and roll down or be rolled". Only places where a bit of strategy is needed are the boss fights.

[Aldain]

Publicado originalmente por Necrosian:

Publicado originalmente por Terron:

Im guessing you played on story mode? WOTR has fantastic combat. Baldurs Gate 3 has far far less depth to individual character builds and options compared to WOTR. Both games have very good combat. You also neglect to mention that BG 3 combat is also far far slower than WOTR. Its personal taste. I love WOTR and think BG3 is very good so far but out of the two I much prefer pathfinder.

Playing WOTR on core now and combat is essentially "buff up and roll down or be rolled". Only places where a bit of strategy is needed are the boss fights.

And even then, it's usually finding the silver bullet solution (like Touch AC as a common example) to just nuke the enemy before they can nuke you, or reloading because half of your team just got hit with Fear at the start of combat and that's an instant death spiral.

[ayrtep]

Publicado originalmente por Darkreaver1980:

Baldurs Gate 3 VS WOTR

Well there is D&D3.5 vs D&D5. Personally I think D&D3.5 works better in a video game, as D&D5 is aimed at table top.

However despite really liking WotR, I think BG3 is better mainly do due the the improved graphics. Plus BG3 has a new story that is not part of WotR.

[Shwin]

Publicado originalmente por Recjawjind:

Publicado originalmente por Chiryuu:

Oh... okay, never heard of it. Is it good? It's also RPG I assume.

Its RTwP, and owlcat has recently engaged in some pretty shady behavior, though they walked back on it after people were, understandably, very upset.

If you can stomach RTwP and all the limitations that come from it, and you can give it a try.

WotR also has a Turn Based mode, and I use it almost exclusively. Combat is still pretty solid in TB mode. Sure it doesn't have all the cinematics that BG3 has, and its system has more bloat with progression choices, Pathfinder is still a good system. I'll never understand the appeal of RtwP outside of super easy mob fights to speed up grinding. Even TB games like Paper Mario had an "autokill" feature where you would just not enter combat and walk through to slay an enemy if you are 100% going to one-shot them anyway.

Owlcat's shady data collection was a horrible move, and I am glad they decided to back off doing that. Good thing for me WotR was already uninstalled so I could make some room for BG3's full release though!

[Terron]

Publicado originalmente por Aldain:

Publicado originalmente por Necrosian:

Playing WOTR on core now and combat is essentially "buff up and roll down or be rolled". Only places where a bit of strategy is needed are the boss fights.

And even then, it's usually finding the silver bullet solution (like Touch AC as a common example) to just nuke the enemy before they can nuke you, or reloading because half of your team just got hit with Fear at the start of combat and that's an instant death spiral.

Thats fair enough but I enjoy how quickly it can all go to ♥♥♥♥. Also though it is indeed very buff heavy (badly needs a way to cast all selected buffs at in a single click rather than manually every time I think) I think half the battle at least is in your level up screen and equipment. Its how you build your characters and its satisfying pulling through combat knowing you built a team effectively your own way. Of course on harder difficulties I am constantly pausing and readjusting here and there and when I unpause and in 3 seconds 2 of my guys are near death then I am frantically scrolling the battle log to see what the hells happened I frickin love it!.
Plus when you have a 6 party members and maybe pets to boot and going up against a large group its like a damn mini war going on. I love buffing up then sending everyone in like its a damn RTS and watching the healthbars and battle log with my thumb ready on the space bar to readjust strategy. Just love that style.

[Nuee]

Meh many of us will play both.

[Nutty One]

okay now i know what WOTR is so what is RTwP? and WDPUSM Acronyms?

[Aria Athena]

Publicado originalmente por Nutty One:

okay now i know what WOTR is so what is RTwP? and WDPUSM Acronyms?

'Real time with pause' combat.

[Goose]

Wouldnt it be a bit more appropriate to compare WOTR with games like Icewind Dale 2 or Neverwinter Nights? WOTR is PF1e and uses a modified version of the D&D 3.5e ruleset, BG3 is D&D 5e, not even close to the same

It's also worth pointing out that level 12 is pretty high level in 5e. This'll be a decently long campaign with that level cap

[Demiurge]

Publicado originalmente por T⭕mat⭕kek:

All I can say is WotR has a ♥♥♥♥ ton of reading. Games like a damn novel. I fall asleep when I read, so I had a hard time playing it. Baldurs Gate 3 is going to be way more voice acted and just higher quality in general. Also strictly turnbased and no stupid doom timer.

I weep for the future...