Drow Lore not matching previous BG games

[Pelican-1]

I was playing BG2 to pass the time waiting for BG3 to release and I came across some dialogue with Viconia, the Drow. She states "The drow wish to rule, as do duergar, kuo-toa... even illithids, but our feet are clay. We distrust each other almost more than other races...."
Then it was proven right in front of me, when a Drow priestess murdered another Drow over a slave- she claimed he was easier to replace than a trained slave as the male drow was begging not to be killed. the priestess states that she has "other sons" and murders him outright.

Then I recall that my character in BG3 was of the Drow(female), and NOT of the lolth-kind.

While I was freeing the male Drow from the rubble in BG3 (where the duergar/forge is located) the drow was actually furious with the duergar for not being fast enough in freeing him from the rubble, and when he spoke to me I had drow options for dialogue. When chosen, he had 0 issues with me and wanted to help my situation.

This might be a small issue for most of you guys but from my understanding of BG lore, both male and female drow despise and often kill each other for little to no reason, specially the female drow having no remorse for the males, like a spider after mating, would kill the male drow with no hesitation.

According to BG1 and 2 lore, the part in BG3 when I freed the male drow from the rubble (Nere), me being a drow and a female at that, this "Nere" would have been 100% paranoid OR simply hostile towards my kind or possibly kill on sight. Instead the game has me pick his side or the side of the duergar. "After a conflictive conversation between Nere and Brithvar, you will have to choose a side between them.". There wouldn't be a side to choose according to BG2 and what happens in the underdark with Viconia in your party.

This was one of my main concerns with BG3, how much did they actually know of BG1 and 2 lore to keep the story concrete? Hopefully it can be addressed. Lore is everything.. without lore, your game/any game is aimless.

[Pelican-1]

Originally posted by Wraith:

Nere himself isn't even a worshiper of Lolth, he abadoned her for the absolute
You can even convince him back to Lolth

He has no reason to act like a normal Drow at all
He also has no reason to instantly attack you as you rescue him afterall...
He did have a reason to instantly kill the slave

What's crazy is if you *say nothing* and just watch him, he kills everyone right? including the Duergar?

[Wraith]

Originally posted by booger_911:

What's crazy is if you *say nothing* and just watch him, he kills everyone right?

what about it?
your saying nothing he gonna do what he gonna do to the slaves

The Deurgar are on his side...
Unless you did something to spark that other encounter

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by booger_911:

So why would I have to prove my faith as a Drow after freeing Nere again? He didn't detect the tadpole at that time as there was no animation of us connecting for him to "Detect". and why didn't me being female matter in the slightest?

Maybe they could just add more [Drow] Dialogue options then. or put books that give more explanations to the lore from BG2 to 3. Because everything so far is the same except this 1 interaction for some reason.

Already answered by Ghost. I'll bold it so it's extra obvious:

Nere specifically - not all Drow in Baldur's Gate 3 or the world, Nere, could not give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ about you being a Drow or female.

He is:
- A. Not necessarily from Menzoberranzan
- B. Not a follower of Lolth
- C. A telepathic, high-ranking, member of a mind-controlling cult that also could not give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥, that can identify each other immediately as members by the presence of the tadpole.
- D. You just saved him from certain death; and if you call him out in the Drow fashion, he'll tell you to sod off, because E:
- E. "all are equal under the Absolute".
- F. Believes he has his own army.

For example:
- Minthara will threaten you, may attack you, sleep with you, and then try to kill you out of paranoia. Her army fully expects her to betray you and will kill you on sight afterwards.
- Dhourn is paranoid and and will be absolutely livid, if subservient, if you order him around.

[Pelican-1]

Originally posted by Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

#notalldrow
There are differences between drow, it's not a single society. And some drow even change their ways over time.
There are those where male mean nothing, and there are those where it's on equal grounds.
I don't pretend to be an expert in matters of drow, but they can be quite different from each other, just like human, dwarfs and halflings...

100% true. except according to BG1 and part 2, there are some core differences where Drow even despise their own more-so than other races as well. I'm not going off of DnD or 5e or whatever edition. I'm going strickly on BG1 and 2 lore, from the game, to connect the dots to part 3.

Think about movies or any other entertainment for that matter. LoTR, if they skipped part 2 (the movie) but made part 1 and 3, wouldn't the fans be like uhhhhhh wut? you can't expect the casuals to just know the books entail that lore that is missing. It's gotta be cohesive no?

[Pelican-1]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Originally posted by booger_911:

So why would I have to prove my faith as a Drow after freeing Nere again? He didn't detect the tadpole at that time as there was no animation of us connecting for him to "Detect". and why didn't me being female matter in the slightest?

Maybe they could just add more [Drow] Dialogue options then. or put books that give more explanations to the lore from BG2 to 3. Because everything so far is the same except this 1 interaction for some reason.

Already answered by Ghost. I'll bold it so it's extra obvious:

Nere specifically - not all Drow in Baldur's Gate 3 or the world, Nere, could not give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ about you being a Drow or female.

He is:
- A. Not necessarily from Menzoberranzan
- B. Not a follower of Lolth
- C. A telepathic, high-ranking, member of a mind-controlling cult that also could not give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥, that can identify each other immediately as members by the presence of the tadpole.
- D. You just saved him from certain death; and if you call him out in the Drow fashion, he'll tell you to sod off, because E:
- E. "all are equal under the Absolute".
- F. Believes he has his own army.

For example:
- Minthara will threaten you, may attack you, sleep with you, and then try to kill you out of paranoia. Her army fully expects her to betray you and will kill you on sight afterwards.
- Dhourn is paranoid and and will be absolutely livid, if subservient, if you order him around.

You're so nice. It's unfortunate that I'm playing BG2 as we speak. trying to connect the dots to that ONE MINOR part in part 3 doesn't make any sense to the lore. Sorry I'm not sorry to accept that you guys have this magical answer that has to be implemented in books in-game for it to make sense lol

Viconia has to be a liar.. and same with that dead male drow for punishing a slave.

[rgarrett]

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[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by booger_911:

Originally posted by Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

#notalldrow
There are differences between drow, it's not a single society. And some drow even change their ways over time.
There are those where male mean nothing, and there are those where it's on equal grounds.
I don't pretend to be an expert in matters of drow, but they can be quite different from each other, just like human, dwarfs and halflings...

100% true. except according to BG1 and part 2, there are some core differences where Drow even despise their own more-so than other races as well. I'm not going off of DnD or 5e or whatever edition. I'm going strickly on BG1 and 2 lore, from the game, to connect the dots to part 3.

Think about movies or any other entertainment for that matter. LoTR, if they skipped part 2 (the movie) but made part 1 and 3, wouldn't the fans be like uhhhhhh wut? you can't expect the casuals to just know the books entail that lore that is missing. It's gotta be cohesive no?

Again, there's 50 years of lorewriting. There has been a D&D videogame pretty much every single year since 1988. There are hundreds of books outside of the tabletop, and there is the tabletop itself.
And this game is made for all fans of D&D not only for those who played bg1 and bg2.
There will inevitably be differences. There will inevitably be missing pieces.
No one can have over 50 years of lore in their heads.
There even have been some retcons from wotc to some of the lore, and some of it will never match up between editions.
You are asking for something completely impossible.

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by booger_911:

100% true. except according to BG1 and part 2, there are some core differences where Drow even despise their own more-so than other races as well. I'm not going off of DnD or 5e or whatever edition. I'm going strickly on BG1 and 2 lore, from the game, to connect the dots to part 3.

Think about movies or any other entertainment for that matter. LoTR, if they skipped part 2 (the movie) but made part 1 and 3, wouldn't the fans be like uhhhhhh wut? you can't expect the casuals to just know the books entail that lore that is missing. It's gotta be cohesive no?

No, drow don't despise their own race more than the lesser races of the world (as in, every single other one). They are absolute supremacists; their race is the only one fit to rule over everyone else. They just also acknowledge the danger presented by others of their kind, which has been well explained here, and each Lolthian drow's own house is the only one worthy of being at the top.

Nothing here was skipped or altered. In BG1 you interacted with a renegade drow priestess who no longer served Lolth, and now you're interacting with a different renegade drow who serves an entirely different power... and yet for some reason you're still expecting him to act like some kind of 'typical Underdark drow male' when you've made it very clear you don't even know what that is.

[Pelican-1]

Originally posted by ihatevnecks:

Originally posted by booger_911:

100% true. except according to BG1 and part 2, there are some core differences where Drow even despise their own more-so than other races as well. I'm not going off of DnD or 5e or whatever edition. I'm going strickly on BG1 and 2 lore, from the game, to connect the dots to part 3.

Think about movies or any other entertainment for that matter. LoTR, if they skipped part 2 (the movie) but made part 1 and 3, wouldn't the fans be like uhhhhhh wut? you can't expect the casuals to just know the books entail that lore that is missing. It's gotta be cohesive no?

No, drow don't despise their own race more than the lesser races of the world (as in, every single other one). They are absolute supremacists; their race is the only one fit to rule over everyone else. They just also acknowledge the danger presented by others of their kind, which has been well explained here, and each Lolthian drow's own house is the only one worthy of being at the top.

Nothing here was skipped or altered. In BG1 you interacted with a renegade drow priestess who no longer served Lolth, and now you're interacting with a different renegade drow who serves an entirely different power... and yet for some reason you're still expecting him to act like some kind of 'typical Underdark drow male' when you've made it very clear you don't even know what that is.

How do I post a screenshot XD

Viconia literally says "The drow wish to rule, as do duergar, kuo-toa... even illithids, but our feet are clay. We distrust each other almost more than other races, and that is our weakness" - that's from a drow

[Wraith]

hell you can even meet a typical underdark drow male in game.

You can then fully assert that Female Lolth drow energy and he calls you mistress lol

[Pelican-1]

Originally posted by Wraith:

hell you can even meet a typical underdark drow male in game.

You can then fully assert that Female Lolth drow energy and he calls you mistress lol

My drow isn't of Lolth

[Wraith]

Originally posted by booger_911:

Originally posted by Wraith:

hell you can even meet a typical underdark drow male in game.

You can then fully assert that Female Lolth drow energy and he calls you mistress lol

My drow isn't of Lolth

Then you probably won't have that option if you ever meet that one lol
Because it need that Lolth tag

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by booger_911:

How do I post a screenshot XD

Here's a link telling you how.[en.wikipedia.org]

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by booger_911:

How do I post a screenshot XD

Viconia literally says "The drow wish to rule, as do duergar, kuo-toa... even illithids, but our feet are clay. We distrust each other almost more than other races, and that is our weakness"

Distrust, not despise. You realize those are different words with different meanings, right?

Read what I said again:

They just also acknowledge the danger presented by others of their kind, which has been well explained here, and each Lolthian drow's own house is the only one worthy of being at the top.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by booger_911:

Viconia literally says "The drow wish to rule, as do duergar, kuo-toa... even illithids, but our feet are clay. We distrust each other almost more than other races, and that is our weakness"

Distrust doesn't mean kill on sight. I distrust politicians, yet haven't killed a single one...
...almost more...but not quite...
And she's a single drow...do you really think she knows each and every drow in and out?
If I say all human are stupid, would you really think that I really mean each and every human being? Or maybe I'm jut disillusioned by a certain populus I've been in contact with?