Drow Lore not matching previous BG games

[Pelican-1]

I was playing BG2 to pass the time waiting for BG3 to release and I came across some dialogue with Viconia, the Drow. She states "The drow wish to rule, as do duergar, kuo-toa... even illithids, but our feet are clay. We distrust each other almost more than other races...."
Then it was proven right in front of me, when a Drow priestess murdered another Drow over a slave- she claimed he was easier to replace than a trained slave as the male drow was begging not to be killed. the priestess states that she has "other sons" and murders him outright.

Then I recall that my character in BG3 was of the Drow(female), and NOT of the lolth-kind.

While I was freeing the male Drow from the rubble in BG3 (where the duergar/forge is located) the drow was actually furious with the duergar for not being fast enough in freeing him from the rubble, and when he spoke to me I had drow options for dialogue. When chosen, he had 0 issues with me and wanted to help my situation.

This might be a small issue for most of you guys but from my understanding of BG lore, both male and female drow despise and often kill each other for little to no reason, specially the female drow having no remorse for the males, like a spider after mating, would kill the male drow with no hesitation.

According to BG1 and 2 lore, the part in BG3 when I freed the male drow from the rubble (Nere), me being a drow and a female at that, this "Nere" would have been 100% paranoid OR simply hostile towards my kind or possibly kill on sight. Instead the game has me pick his side or the side of the duergar. "After a conflictive conversation between Nere and Brithvar, you will have to choose a side between them.". There wouldn't be a side to choose according to BG2 and what happens in the underdark with Viconia in your party.

This was one of my main concerns with BG3, how much did they actually know of BG1 and 2 lore to keep the story concrete? Hopefully it can be addressed. Lore is everything.. without lore, your game/any game is aimless.

[Pelican-1]

Originally posted by booger_911:

Originally posted by Ark:

i gotta ask then since you are dead set on the lore of Baldurs gate

is there a difference between the drow throught all the dnd worlds stories and what not??

since im pretty sure they are all the same. a drow from bg or a drow from somewhere else is the same since its all under dnd and that is what everyone here is saying.

bg1 followed rules from dnd from the book 2e or what its called

bg 3 follows again dnd but book from 5e

That's what I'm getting at though lol

"If the children of Bhaal were supposedly ONLY Halflings race(according to 6e dnd), I'm supposed to ignore I was Human in Bg1 or 2? see what I'm getting at?"

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by Ark:

i gotta ask then since you are dead set on the lore of Baldurs gate

is there a difference between the drow throught all the dnd worlds stories and what not??

since im pretty sure they are all the same. a drow from bg or a drow from somewhere else is the same since its all under dnd and that is what everyone here is saying.

bg1 followed rules from dnd from the book 2e or what its called

bg 3 follows again dnd but book from 5e

The drow culture was created for the Forgotten Realms in 1990 by R.A. Salvatore. Since then there's been massive growth in their society. Just in the 120 years between the games, their world has been turned upside down several times.

A lot of drow are considered evil, but as the years went on and the work of notable outliers like Drizzt Do'Urden, the concept of good drow became more and more acceptable. So nowadays you can get a lot of different kinds of drow.

[DDkiki]

BG1-2 fan who dont know anything about DnD, FR or any other games in general once again show us their incompetence and ignorance.

[Harukage]

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

A lot of drow are considered evil, but as the years went on and the work of notable outliers like Drizzt Do'Urden, the concept of good drow became more and more acceptable. So nowadays you can get a lot of different kinds of drow.

Currently you can find Eilistraees shrine even in Waterdeep, along with a congregation of her followers. Times change.
it is as if people were in stasis for the last 20 years and completely skiped the whole War of the Spider Queen narration. And how drow society started to change.

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by booger_911:

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

You're basing your thoughts on the actions of a character inside a game. Do you not see how that doesn't automatically make it true for the whole culture? That is the entire point I have been making. Your perception is flawed.

The lore from BG1 and 2 doesn't match BG3 regarding my drow character's interaction with another drow. it would have been different. but because D&D... it's magically changed lol like I said-

If the children of Bhaal were supposedly ONLY Halflings race, I'm supposed to ignore I was Human in Bg1 or 2? see what I'm getting at?

You're picking from an extremely small sample size. It's ridiculous. One character's interactions with another is going to dictate the entire culture? Give me a break.

Are you getting the information from a character? Is that information being colored by their point of view? Could they not be an unreliable narrator?

[Marcos_DS]

I think your understanding is a bit off, consider reading R.A.Salvatore who basically created Drow lore for the Forgotten Realms with his novels (the main character Drizzt Do'Urden even had a cameo in BG1+2).

Lolthsworn Drow live in a very machiavellian, matriarchal society. But it is also structured, with different houses vying for dominance and favor in the eyes of their godess. Drow fight and kill each other in such conflicts, sure. But not in a random murderhobo "hey there, great to meet you, now let's kill each other" way.

So basic lolthsworn setting: if a male drow meets a female drow, the female drow will have higher social standing by default (martiachy) and the male will be subservient. This might change if he is in a far stronger position (machiavellian) and has to fear no repercussions (e.g. no witnesses). Or if the female drow is from an house his own house is currently at war with. Or if the male lolthsworn drow finds out the female has forsaken Lolth (but in the Forgotten Realms lore, thats not a visible difference). But by default, he wouldn't attack her, quite the opposite - a female drow is the only one he might (reluctantly) accept as his superior.

[Kiru]

Among the average lore debates the topic of "drow culture" still reserves a special place. It did not even exist in more than the basic concept that it was the opposite of surface elves (because appearantly the opposite of a gay treehugger has to be a spiderkissing dominatrix) before Salvatore wrote his vision of the quarrelling noble houses inspired by the Cosa Nostra families.

Some people will appearantly never comprehend the idea. There actually are organisations where people kill other people simply because of cold, calculating profit. Because indeed, a matron mother who already has born more than half a dozen sons might think the educational value of making an example of the most incompetent fool among them be worth more than an expensive, trained slave. Just like the don of a mafia family might have his idiot son-in-law executed for losing a valuable shipment of drugs. He doesnt do that because he is a bloodthirsty murder hobo, he simply calculates the lesson against the possible loss of an incompetent minion screwing up again.

So what reason would a mobster have to kill you if there is no profit to be had and noone going to reward him for risking his life in a fight? About the same as a drow would have when there is no priestess watching whip in hand waiting behind his back.

[Pelican-1]

So then Larian still goofed by not explaining anything about the lore that was changed since BG1 or 2. lol guys chill the F out.. I'm just saying, it doesn't match and supposed to believe something that isn't explained in the game since bg2... Like I'm supposed to know something that isn't conceived yet by Larian to make it match BG lore..

[Ark]

Originally posted by booger_911:

Originally posted by Ark:

i gotta ask then since you are dead set on the lore of Baldurs gate

is there a difference between the drow throught all the dnd worlds stories and what not??

since im pretty sure they are all the same. a drow from bg or a drow from somewhere else is the same since its all under dnd and that is what everyone here is saying.

bg1 followed rules from dnd from the book 2e or what its called

bg 3 follows again dnd but book from 5e

That's what I'm getting at though lol

"If the children of Bhaal were supposedly ONLY Halflings race, I'm supposed to ignore I was Human in Bg1 or 2? see what I'm getting at?"

no but im asking what is the difference? because if there are no difference i kinda dont get your arguement.

since you are saying that the drow from bg 1-2 are not like how bg3 is but that in itself is obious since between 2e and 5e is hugely different things since uknow things change

its like human history we are not like how we where in the vikigns ages and so on since we change just like everything.

my arguement is that baldurs gate uses the dnd world that is big but the drow in all of them are the same and since they are the same that means that the drow in 5e is accurate to the new dnd lore of it all. so using lore or dnd from 2e would make no sense but say if they did i would agree with you and say they are not following the lore of how drows are kinda since they dont kill the moment they se a drow just saying

since you just said a few comments ago that baldurs gate and dnd is not the same from what i understood

[Wolfgang421]

This is hardly the only thing that has changed severely in the setting's history, either. Geography, timelines, major events, locations - all of these have moved around or been re-adjusted as the editions change. I think Warhammer has suffered some of the same. It is a term called "retcon," though I have only seen that serious used in reference to comics.

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

A lot of drow are considered evil, but as the years went on and the work of notable outliers like Drizzt Do'Urden, the concept of good drow became more and more acceptable. So nowadays you can get a lot of different kinds of drow.

Currently you can find Eilistraees shrine even in Waterdeep, along with a congregation of her followers. Times change.
it is as if people were in stasis for the last 20 years and completely skiped the whole War of the Spider Queen narration. And how drow society started to change.

Exactly. The last 120 years in the timeline have been extremely transformative.

[Ark]

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

Originally posted by Ark:

i gotta ask then since you are dead set on the lore of Baldurs gate

is there a difference between the drow throught all the dnd worlds stories and what not??

since im pretty sure they are all the same. a drow from bg or a drow from somewhere else is the same since its all under dnd and that is what everyone here is saying.

bg1 followed rules from dnd from the book 2e or what its called

bg 3 follows again dnd but book from 5e

The drow culture was created for the Forgotten Realms in 1990 by R.A. Salvatore. Since then there's been massive growth in their society. Just in the 120 years between the games, their world has been turned upside down several times.

A lot of drow are considered evil, but as the years went on and the work of notable outliers like Drizzt Do'Urden, the concept of good drow became more and more acceptable. So nowadays you can get a lot of different kinds of drow.

yeah and even now we dont even have good or evil even thought i do like to thing that things are good evil or neutral since its just easier that way but i can also understand that every race can be good and evil

[Pelican-1]

Originally posted by Ark:

Originally posted by booger_911:

That's what I'm getting at though lol

"If the children of Bhaal were supposedly ONLY Halflings race, I'm supposed to ignore I was Human in Bg1 or 2? see what I'm getting at?"

no but im asking what is the difference? because if there are no difference i kinda dont get your arguement.

since you are saying that the drow from bg 1-2 are not like how bg3 is but that in itself is obious since between 2e and 5e is hugely different things since uknow things change

its like human history we are not like how we where in the vikigns ages and so on since we change just like everything.

my arguement is that baldurs gate uses the dnd world that is big but the drow in all of them are the same and since they are the same that means that the drow in 5e is accurate to the new dnd lore of it all. so using lore or dnd from 2e would make no sense but say if they did i would agree with you and say they are not following the lore of how drows are kinda since they dont kill the moment they se a drow just saying

since you just said a few comments ago that baldurs gate and dnd is not the same from what i understood

I get that, but there is no mention of these changes anywhere in BG3 lore so far. in fact most of it is still spot on from BG1 and 2. and the difference between vikings of old and modern human is more than just a mere 20 years of evolution of mind.

[Ark]

Originally posted by booger_911:

So then Larian still goofed by not explaining anything about the lore that was changed since BG1 or 2. lol guys chill the F out.. I'm just saying, it doesn't match and supposed to believe something that isn't explained in the game since bg2... Like I'm supposed to know something that isn't conceived yet by Larian to make it match BG lore..

i mean you would know about it if you read the dnd books that exsist is the thing. but i can also understand that can be boring since its not that fun to read lol. but you could also google it uknow drow lore

[ihatevnecks]

Originally posted by booger_911:

duuuuude... I never said just because I'm a female drow this guy would have killed me on sight.. you missed the other context I provided.

Oh really? From your original post:

Originally posted by booger_911:

This might be a small issue for most of you guys but from my understanding of BG lore, both male and female drow despise and often kill each other for little to no reason,

Originally posted by booger_911:

According to BG1 and 2 lore, the part in BG3 when I freed the male drow from the rubble (Nere), me being a drow and a female at that, this "Nere" would have been 100% paranoid OR simply hostile towards my kind or possibly kill on sight. Instead the game has me pick his side or the side of the duergar.

So yes, you did say exactly what you just claimed you didn't. And you're wrong, and have been wrong every time you've typed anything. Glad we've gotten that out of the way.