Drow Lore not matching previous BG games

[Pelican-1]

I was playing BG2 to pass the time waiting for BG3 to release and I came across some dialogue with Viconia, the Drow. She states "The drow wish to rule, as do duergar, kuo-toa... even illithids, but our feet are clay. We distrust each other almost more than other races...."
Then it was proven right in front of me, when a Drow priestess murdered another Drow over a slave- she claimed he was easier to replace than a trained slave as the male drow was begging not to be killed. the priestess states that she has "other sons" and murders him outright.

Then I recall that my character in BG3 was of the Drow(female), and NOT of the lolth-kind.

While I was freeing the male Drow from the rubble in BG3 (where the duergar/forge is located) the drow was actually furious with the duergar for not being fast enough in freeing him from the rubble, and when he spoke to me I had drow options for dialogue. When chosen, he had 0 issues with me and wanted to help my situation.

This might be a small issue for most of you guys but from my understanding of BG lore, both male and female drow despise and often kill each other for little to no reason, specially the female drow having no remorse for the males, like a spider after mating, would kill the male drow with no hesitation.

According to BG1 and 2 lore, the part in BG3 when I freed the male drow from the rubble (Nere), me being a drow and a female at that, this "Nere" would have been 100% paranoid OR simply hostile towards my kind or possibly kill on sight. Instead the game has me pick his side or the side of the duergar. "After a conflictive conversation between Nere and Brithvar, you will have to choose a side between them.". There wouldn't be a side to choose according to BG2 and what happens in the underdark with Viconia in your party.

This was one of my main concerns with BG3, how much did they actually know of BG1 and 2 lore to keep the story concrete? Hopefully it can be addressed. Lore is everything.. without lore, your game/any game is aimless.

[Pelican-1]

Автор сообщения: Ghost

Автор сообщения: booger_911

It's not a failure XD I'm just saying they messed up that part of the lore from the previous titles. ez fix no? Problem is, yall don't see a problem and wanna praise larian regardless of messing up or not. I don't get it.

Because they haven't - you're just making assumptions and ignoring context.

Nere and my female drow would have had different dialogue :/

[Pelican-1]

I guess I'm not allowed to say anything remotely, trivially bad or wrong about BG3 lol

[Tempest]

As has been mentioned in this thread previously, Nere no longer worships Lolth (if he ever did, since not all drow are from Menzoberranzan), he worships the Absolute. As a True Soul himself, he can sense the tadpole in your head and makes the assumption that you are a True Soul yourself (at least until you say something to prove him wrong). All are equal under the Absolute, so your being a female doesn’t matter at all. He doesn’t care because he has no reason to care.

[Ghost]

Автор сообщения: Tempest

As has been mentioned in this thread previously, Nere no longer worships Lolth (if he ever did, since not all drow are from Menzoberranzan), he worships the Absolute. As a True Soul himself, he can sense the tadpole in your head and makes the assumption that you are a True Soul yourself (at least until you say something to prove him wrong). All are equal under the Absolute, so your being a female doesn’t matter at all. He doesn’t care because he has no reason to care.

^ The other Drow however, do care.

[Ephemerant]

Автор сообщения: booger_911

Автор сообщения: Ephemerant

The first to do what? Create the Forgotten Realms? Create drow lore in the Forgotten Realms? If that's your argument, then you're just flat out wrong.

The game is based on Forgotten Realms lore. The Forgotten Realms were already a thing. The games are not their own universe. The games are set in the Forgotten Realms.

Dude we're talking about BG1 and 2.. not wizzards of the coast, not the forgotten realms.. we're talking about what was solidified in baldur's gate 1 and 2.. they goofed in BG3 :/ not sure why you're so salty about me pointing this 1 tiny flaw

OOOOH, we're talking about BG1 and BG2!! The LORE of BG1 and BG2! OOH! My bad man, it was silly of me to bring up what those games were based on and the world they're set in, I see that now. That clearly has no bearing on anything related to the story because it's in a vacuum dimension by itself. HOW SILLY OF ME! Gosh...

You really can't be this dense. Surely?

[Pelican-1]

Автор сообщения: Tempest

As has been mentioned in this thread previously, Nere no longer worships Lolth (if he ever did, since not all drow are from Menzoberranzan), he worships the Absolute. As a True Soul himself, he can sense the tadpole in your head and makes the assumption that you are a True Soul yourself (at least until you say something to prove him wrong). All are equal under the Absolute, so your being a female doesn’t matter at all. He doesn’t care because he has no reason to care.

This is what I'm getting at, my Drow dialogue options didn't have me detected as a "true soul" by him yet. but me being female he would have acted differently too I think.

in BG2 there was a priestess that killed a male drow for punishing her slave, and without question was slaughtered over the slaves life. the way it's described by BG1 and 2, makes me feel as though this scenario should have played out much different.

[Pelican-1]

Автор сообщения: Ephemerant

Автор сообщения: booger_911

Dude we're talking about BG1 and 2.. not wizzards of the coast, not the forgotten realms.. we're talking about what was solidified in baldur's gate 1 and 2.. they goofed in BG3 :/ not sure why you're so salty about me pointing this 1 tiny flaw

OOOOH, we're talking about BG1 and BG2!! The LORE of BG1 and BG2! OOH! My bad man, it was silly of me to bring up what those games were based on and the world they're set in, I see that now. That clearly has no bearing on anything related to the story because it's in a vacuum dimension by itself. HOW SILLY OF ME! Gosh...

You really can't be this dense. Surely?

You worry me.

This is what I get for going to steam BG3 community lolol can't say anything negative about something, even if you're right or wrong. you get people like this here drooling and waiting to pounce on anything that moves funny.

[Tempest]

Автор сообщения: booger_911

Автор сообщения: Tempest

As has been mentioned in this thread previously, Nere no longer worships Lolth (if he ever did, since not all drow are from Menzoberranzan), he worships the Absolute. As a True Soul himself, he can sense the tadpole in your head and makes the assumption that you are a True Soul yourself (at least until you say something to prove him wrong). All are equal under the Absolute, so your being a female doesn’t matter at all. He doesn’t care because he has no reason to care.

This is what I'm getting at, my Drow dialogue options didn't have me detected as a "true soul" by him yet. but me being female he would have acted differently too I think.

in BG2 there was a priestess that killed a male drow for punishing her slave, and without question was slaughtered over the slaves life. the way it's described by BG1 and 2, makes me feel as though this scenario should have played out much different.

Why would it play out differently? He doesn’t care. He has no reason to care. He doesn’t worship Lolth, which is where Menzoberranzan culture comes from. If you weren’t a True Soul, it likewise wouldn’t matter what race/sex you were, because you would have naturally been beneath him.

[Ephemerant]

Автор сообщения: booger_911

Автор сообщения: Ephemerant

OOOOH, we're talking about BG1 and BG2!! The LORE of BG1 and BG2! OOH! My bad man, it was silly of me to bring up what those games were based on and the world they're set in, I see that now. That clearly has no bearing on anything related to the story because it's in a vacuum dimension by itself. HOW SILLY OF ME! Gosh...

You really can't be this dense. Surely?

You worry me.

This is what I get for going to steam BG3 community lolol can't say anything negative about something, even if you're right or wrong. you get people like this here drooling and waiting to pounce on anything that moves funny.

You're basing your thoughts on the actions of a character inside a game. Do you not see how that doesn't automatically make it true for the whole culture? That is the entire point I have been making. Your perception is flawed.

[Pelican-1]

Автор сообщения: Tempest

Автор сообщения: booger_911

This is what I'm getting at, my Drow dialogue options didn't have me detected as a "true soul" by him yet. but me being female he would have acted differently too I think.

in BG2 there was a priestess that killed a male drow for punishing her slave, and without question was slaughtered over the slaves life. the way it's described by BG1 and 2, makes me feel as though this scenario should have played out much different.

Why would it play out differently? He doesn’t care. He has no reason to care. He doesn’t worship Lolth, which is where Menzoberranzan culture comes from. If you weren’t a True Soul, it likewise wouldn’t matter what race/sex you were, because you would have naturally been beneath him.

He'd be beneath me :P

[Ark]

i gotta ask then since you are dead set on the lore of Baldurs gate

is there a difference between the drow throught all the dnd worlds stories and what not??

since im pretty sure they are all the same. a drow from bg or a drow from somewhere else is the same since its all under dnd and that is what everyone here is saying.

bg1 followed rules from dnd from the book 2e or what its called

bg 3 follows again dnd but book from 5e

[Pelican-1]

Автор сообщения: Ephemerant

Автор сообщения: booger_911

You worry me.

This is what I get for going to steam BG3 community lolol can't say anything negative about something, even if you're right or wrong. you get people like this here drooling and waiting to pounce on anything that moves funny.

You're basing your thoughts on the actions of a character inside a game. Do you not see how that doesn't automatically make it true for the whole culture? That is the entire point I have been making. Your perception is flawed.

The lore from BG1 and 2 doesn't match BG3 regarding my drow character's interaction with another drow. it would have been different. but because D&D... it's magically changed lol like I said-

If the children of Bhaal were supposedly ONLY Halflings race, I'm supposed to ignore I was Human in Bg1 or 2? see what I'm getting at?

[ihatevnecks]

Автор сообщения: booger_911

My drow is female, and Nere is male XD I should have been kill on sight. period.
especially that Im not of the Lolth.

No, it's NEVER been "males and females kill on sight." That's not what matriarchal means. Men are second class citizens in Drow society, breeders and soldiers. They don't attack women unless they want a very painful death or an even longer painful existence as a drider.

And how is he just going to magically know, for absolute certain, that you don't serve Lolth? Do you think that's an assumption any lone male is going to make given the outcome if he's wrong? What, because you might have different colored eyes? Yeah, that's definitely something a male in Drow society is going to stake his existence on.

[Pelican-1]

Автор сообщения: Ark

i gotta ask then since you are dead set on the lore of Baldurs gate

is there a difference between the drow throught all the dnd worlds stories and what not??

since im pretty sure they are all the same. a drow from bg or a drow from somewhere else is the same since its all under dnd and that is what everyone here is saying.

bg1 followed rules from dnd from the book 2e or what its called

bg 3 follows again dnd but book from 5e

That's what I'm getting at though lol

"If the children of Bhaal were supposedly ONLY Halflings race(according to 6e), I'm supposed to ignore I was Human in Bg1 or 2? see what I'm getting at?"

[Pelican-1]

Автор сообщения: ihatevnecks

Автор сообщения: booger_911

My drow is female, and Nere is male XD I should have been kill on sight. period.
especially that Im not of the Lolth.

No, it's NEVER been "males and females kill on sight." That's not what matriarchal means. Men are second class citizens in Drow society, breeders and soldiers. They don't attack women unless they want a very painful death or an even longer painful existence as a drider.

And how is he just going to magically know, for absolute certain, that you don't serve Lolth? Do you think that's an assumption any lone male is going to make given the outcome if he's wrong? What, because you might have different colored eyes? Yeah, that's definitely something a male in Drow society is going to stake his existence on.

duuuuude... I never said just because I'm a female drow this guy would have killed me on sight.. you missed the other context I provided.