Why can we only get to level 12????

[barbie]

Listen up, most games let us get to level 60 atleast, skyrim lets us go to 81 and then lets us reset. Why does this game try to be quirky and "unique" by limiting our strength to be the same as a dumb goblin baby...... Im sorry everyone but i thijnk its a bad thing to do for the game

[A]

Originalmente postado por Lord Adorable:

Originalmente postado por Nihrahk:

First DnD game?

Yeah, saying you're as weak as a goblin baby at level 12 in D&D is very weird concidering level 12 is elite-tier.
Also didn't Baldur's Gate 1 end at like.. level 7 or 8?

You can end it sooner even/hold levels then dual class early lmao. I have pleasant memories of scribing scrolls just to catch up my mage level after dual-classing from Fighter.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originalmente postado por Pan Darius Loveless:

Lvl 20 in D&D is the equivalent of lvl 100 in WoW.

Nah, probably more like level 200 xD

[hannibal_pjv]

I have played. 3 hours and not have leveled even ones!
;)

Yeah, it will happen.
Also… Every time I do something I fail the checks!
There will be people who are very dissapointed. But those who get BG3 because of D&D will be happy!

[Yojo0o]

We're gonna get a lot of this same exact thread, aren't we.

Damn, just play the game and see for yourself, OP.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originalmente postado por A:

DnD actually has lore explanation behind levels. The Dragonborn of Skyrim in a DnD setting would probably be level ~15. They squished the levels down and tied a sort of reputation as lore explanation to what each level means.

I'd put the Dragon born somewhere around level 15-17, considering they're practically a local legend of the province but at the same time (assuming Alduin is a world-ending threat), felled a threat to the world.

Geralt of Rivia would probably be at around the level cap of BG if not a bit lower.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/an553p/dd_character_levels_from_a_loreperspective/

Go and read a PHB and look at "Tiers of Play" on p. 15

So yeah, "Goblin Baby" is ridiculous as an example lmao.

To add to that:
https://arcaneeye.com/dm-tools-5e/what-are-the-tiers-of-play-in-dd/

Tier 3 (Levels 11-16)

Tier 3 is an unlikely place to start a campaign because this is usually where campaigns approach their conclusion. Most of D&D 5e’s official adventures end in this tier, usually in spectacular, world-saving fashion.

[A]

Originalmente postado por hannibal_pjv:

I have played. 3 hours and not have leveled even ones!
;)

Yeah, it will happen.
Also… Every time I do something I fail the checks!
There will be people who are very dissapointed. But those who get BG3 because of D&D will be happy!

Once you get used to it, leveling to 4 gets kinda fast imo.

[Meowella]

Originalmente postado por Sussy Susie:

Listen up, most games let us get to level 60 atleast, skyrim lets us go to 81 and then lets us reset. Why does this game try to be quirky and "unique" by limiting our strength to be the same as a dumb goblin baby...... Im sorry everyone but i thijnk its a bad thing to do for the game

A level 20 DnD char can wipe out every dragon in existance in skyrim with a single spell.
The belief that a skyrim level 60 char is more powerful is simply confusing how numbers work.

This game was created in 1974, 20 years before the first elder scrolls game, arena, came about (skyrim is elder scrolls 5 for reference as you probably aren't aware).

Ask yourself why other games didn't keep with 20 levels and felt it necessary to up the number so people can go 'yay im level 53 and got... nothing, like the last 8 levels'.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originalmente postado por A:

Originalmente postado por hannibal_pjv:

I have played. 3 hours and not have leveled even ones!
;)

Yeah, it will happen.
Also… Every time I do something I fail the checks!
There will be people who are very dissapointed. But those who get BG3 because of D&D will be happy!

Once you get used to it, leveling to 4 gets kinda fast imo.

I mean as I usually kill the demons before leaving the nautiloid, I'm usually already level 3, when I arrive at the beach...^^
And no, I'm not ashamed I'm abusing us as a healpot bot for that...:P

[Lord Adorable]

Originalmente postado por Yojo0o:

We're gonna get a lot of this same exact thread, aren't we.

Damn, just play the game and see for yourself, OP.

Truth be told, I hold nothing against people who ask this question even if the answer is easy to search up. D&D is quite different from most RPG's that came after it's creation.

RPG's where levels come faster and the cap is higher is the norm so most people assume something like Level 5 or Level 12 to be 'Low levels' if they only have experience with those kinds of games but havn't played one set within the Dungeons & Dragons setting.

it IS a bit amusing that newbies seem to think 5 is a 'low' level though, and that is neither a slight nor an insult towards those same people, just a bit strange because I've played D&D before.
Like yes, my 'low level' 5th level Wizard can wipe out an entire camp of Goblins with a single spell. And I'm going to get even nuttier at every level after that.

[jcw163]

This is why MMOs wrecked RPG design for a decade

[Lord Adorable]

Originalmente postado por Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Originalmente postado por A:

Once you get used to it, leveling to 4 gets kinda fast imo.

I mean as I usually kill the demons before leaving the nautiloid, I'm usually already level 3, when I arrive at the beach...^^
And no, I'm not ashamed I'm abusing us as a healpot bot for that...:P

I get even cheekier with that.
I,ll kill Zhalk, then the now-hostile Mindflayer who now provides XP and THEN the two Cambions that arrive after a few turns.

The result is being about halfway to level 4 when you hit the beach.

[ACS36]

People saying that one level in D&D 5e is massive power gain are wrong.

Many levels don't actually increase player power much if at all. It's the break point levels that bring the big power gains. There are plenty of levels that offer very small to negligible power gains which are off set by some big leaps in power at specific levels.

[Dovahbear]

Originalmente postado por jcw163:

This is why MMOs wrecked RPG design for a decade

I don't want to agree with this but it's not wrong.

Nuance matters though. The reason it has gone the way it has is because it's what worked best, more regular feeding of the dopamine hit of getting a level, even if it's a shallow gain. It does have the effect of warping expectations in RPGs.

[CloudKira]

Originalmente postado por A:

DnD actually has lore explanation behind levels. The Dragonborn of Skyrim in a DnD setting would probably be level ~15. They squished the levels down and tied a sort of reputation as lore explanation to what each level means.

I'd put the Dragon born somewhere around level 15-17, considering they're practically a local legend of the province but at the same time (assuming Alduin is a world-ending threat), felled a threat to the world.

Geralt of Rivia would probably be at around the level cap of BG if not a bit lower.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/an553p/dd_character_levels_from_a_loreperspective/

Go and read a PHB and look at "Tiers of Play" on p. 15

So yeah, "Goblin Baby" is ridiculous as an example lmao.

Isn't Dragonborn like a Quasi-god?

Quasi-gods like Bhaal or Bane in 5E should be still beyond even a 20 level party.

From what I recall Jarlaxle is stated as a CR 15 character which puts him at like level 17 at least while Zaknafein is a CR 16 character which puts him at like level 18 at least. And Drizzt beat Zak twice without too much difficulty which places him at level 19 at least.

Neither of them is a demi god or even quasi god level.

[[Heretic]Rivga]

Originalmente postado por CloudKira:

Originalmente postado por A:

DnD actually has lore explanation behind levels. The Dragonborn of Skyrim in a DnD setting would probably be level ~15. They squished the levels down and tied a sort of reputation as lore explanation to what each level means.

I'd put the Dragon born somewhere around level 15-17, considering they're practically a local legend of the province but at the same time (assuming Alduin is a world-ending threat), felled a threat to the world.

Geralt of Rivia would probably be at around the level cap of BG if not a bit lower.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/an553p/dd_character_levels_from_a_loreperspective/

Go and read a PHB and look at "Tiers of Play" on p. 15

So yeah, "Goblin Baby" is ridiculous as an example lmao.

Isn't Dragonborn like a Quasi-god?

Quasi-gods like Bhaal or Bane in 5E should be still beyond even a 20 level party.

From what I recall Jarlaxle is stated as a CR 15 character which puts him at like level 17 at least while Zaknafein is a CR 16 character which puts him at like level 18 at least. And Drizzt beat Zak twice without too much difficulty which places him at level 19 at least.

Neither of them is a demi god or even quasi god level.

Go look at level 9 spells, and then tell us they are not demi godlike. Wish is not even the most powerful spell and the huge power and versatility of that spell alone.
Stories fit what ever narrative the ploy need but we can look at what a level 9 sorc or wizard can do, each day and they make the Viking God's look weak.