Multi monk/fighter?

[Sir Sparhawk]

I'm definitely playing a way of shadows monk as my first play-through. Is it going to be worth grabbing two levels of fighter for action surge or will i be better as a pure monk?

[zenebatos1]

Well action surge and Second WInd are not features that are bad, like not at all.

So it can actually greatly help.

[druzilsupreme]

i think worth it

[SolomonKane]

A better multi-class is 6 shadow monk and 6 rogue-assassin.

[Foolswalkin]

Hard to say. We know they are overhauling and buffing Monk significantly, so it's hard to make any significant plans until we know the deets for that. I will say that Monk traditions get an ability at 11th level, so giving that up seems bad unless you're getting something really great for it. If they haven't buffed this aspect pf Way of Shadows, I think I would much rather have Gloomstalker's 3rd level Dread Ambusher ability than the Cloak of Shadows ability, but I'm not you.

[Sir Sparhawk]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Hard to say. We know they are overhauling and buffing Monk significantly, so it's hard to make any significant plans until we know the deets for that. I will say that Monk traditions get an ability at 11th level, so giving that up seems bad unless you're getting something really great for it. If they haven't buffed this aspect pf Way of Shadows, I think I would much rather have Gloomstalker's 3rd level Dread Ambusher ability than the Cloak of Shadows ability, but I'm not you.

I thought that cloak of shadows was level 11. Also I don't remember what it is but monks last base class feature is level 10. That's why I was thinking only dipping for 2 levels

[Wraith]

Yep I’m probably going pure monk and ranger just to see how larian spice up the two arguably worst class in 5e

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by Sir Sparhawk:

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Hard to say. We know they are overhauling and buffing Monk significantly, so it's hard to make any significant plans until we know the deets for that. I will say that Monk traditions get an ability at 11th level, so giving that up seems bad unless you're getting something really great for it. If they haven't buffed this aspect pf Way of Shadows, I think I would much rather have Gloomstalker's 3rd level Dread Ambusher ability than the Cloak of Shadows ability, but I'm not you.

I thought that cloak of shadows was level 11. Also I don't remember what it is but monks last base class feature is level 10. That's why I was thinking only dipping for 2 levels

That's what I'm saying.

If you went 2 levels of fighter, you'd lose Cloak of Shadows. If you go 3 levels of Gloomstalker, you'd also lose Cloak of Shadows, but Dread Ambusher is similar but often much, much better. Both let you turn invisible. Cloak works in dim light or dark, takes an action to start, and ends when you attack, cast a spell, or are in a brightly lit area. Dread Ambusher makes you permanently invisible to Darkvision whenever you're in the dark, whether or not you attack, and doesn't take an action to use. And you get your Wismod bonus to initiative. And on the first turn of a combat, dark or not, you move 10 feet faster, get an extra weapon attack off an attack action, and that extra attack does +1d8 damage. I know which one I prefer.

level 10 monk is Purity of body, immunity to disease and poison. I'm not against it, but I'm not super hyped for it, either.

e: Sorry, I said Dread Ambusher above. The invisibility to Darkvision while in the dark comes from Gloomstalker's Umbral SIght ability, which is not the same ability, but the Gloomstalker gets both Umbral Sight and Dread Ambusher at 3rd level. It also comes with free Darkvision, or an upgrade to Darkvision distance if you already have it.

Also, obviously, that's all tabletop rules, we have no idea what they will be like once implemented in BG3.

[Jinkaru]

Alot of people put too much emphasis on end-game builds. You need to evaluate what is fun to actually level up, not what it'll look like at the end.

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by Jinkaru:

Alot of people put too much emphasis on end-game builds. You need to evaluate what is fun to actually level up, not what it'll look like at the end.

Those respecs tho.

[Sir Sparhawk]

Dread ambusher does sound cool, bit I'm not sure how much use I'd get out of it compared to an extra attack

[Jinkaru]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Originally posted by Jinkaru:

Alot of people put too much emphasis on end-game builds. You need to evaluate what is fun to actually level up, not what it'll look like at the end.

Those respecs tho.

True! Still gotta get to that point however.

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by Sir Sparhawk:

Dread ambusher does sound cool, bit I'm not sure how much use I'd get out of it compared to an extra attack

Dread Ambusher gives an extra attack.

Here's the link: http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/ranger:gloom-stalker

[Sir Sparhawk]

Originally posted by Jinkaru:

Alot of people put too much emphasis on end-game builds. You need to evaluate what is fun to actually level up, not what it'll look like at the end.

Well the first 6 levels are going straight into Monk to get shadow step for the teleport, but some point after that I'm wondering if I'd loose anything significant by grabbing a couple levels of fighter

[Sir Sparhawk]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Originally posted by Sir Sparhawk:

Dread ambusher does sound cool, bit I'm not sure how much use I'd get out of it compared to an extra attack

Dread Ambusher gives an extra attack.

Here's the link: http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/ranger:gloom-stalker

If I put three levels in to get gloom stalker would it be beneficial to make it 4 instead so i still get the feat or asi at level 12 that I'd miss by only going 2 levels in fighter?

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by Sir Sparhawk:

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Dread Ambusher gives an extra attack.

Here's the link: http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/ranger:gloom-stalker

If I put three levels in to get gloom stalker would it be beneficial to make it 4 instead so i still get the feat or asi at level 12 that I'd miss by only going 2 levels in fighter?

Maybe? Super hard to say. The PHB Monk 9 ability lets move vertically up walls and across liquids during their turn at full move without falling, that's unlikely to be in, so what will replace it?