Lets talk about stealth

[Eckoh]

i have gone though EA a number of times... i have yet to see a reason for stealth... I'm maining a ranger archer and wood elves get a stealth bonus however i really do not see where it is useful...

I'm just wondering as i am looking at swapping to Drow for RP reasons now that we can pick the bonus stats. Afterall darkvision is a must honestly so that leaves elves or dwarfs and lets face it dwarfs looks dumb.

[Super_]

I haven't played EA but I've seen that stealth is super awesome and powerful in the release version.

[Gaius]

Stealth gives advantage, it's absolutely huge. Even more for rogues, but for anything that requires an attack roll.

[fulf]

the "point" of stealth in this game is that it's a bonus action based on vision-cones that confers advantage if successful. Very easy to exploit if you position for it. But the fact that any attack auto-reveals you kills the point of actually being "stealthy"

[HozzMidnight]

The skill itself I don't disagree with you as it seems like you can just stay hidden from anything you are aware of by staying out of the red detection areas. And if you take a hidden character into those red areas, they are eventually going to fail a check likely before you can do anything.

But stealth as a concept can trivialize some encounters just by making it easier to attack first and getting a surprise round, let alone if you have a rogue and land a sneak attack to open.

[yjr123]

Originally posted by jwinslow003:

i have gone though EA a number of times... i have yet to see a reason for stealth... I'm maining a ranger archer and wood elves get a stealth bonus however i really do not see where it is useful...

I'm just wondering as i am looking at swapping to Drow for RP reasons now that we can pick the bonus stats. Afterall darkvision is a must honestly so that leaves elves or dwarfs and lets face it dwarfs looks dumb.

Yes stealth is not so good, we may be able to make great dmg before fight, but the whole team position is gonna end badly

[buttawise]

Not sure how stealth is supposed to work. But the wife and I can 2 man most of Act 1 rn as duo rogue, cleric/rogue, or duo cleric using guile and trickstery-maneuverings. It seems radically OP imo.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by fulf:

the "point" of stealth in this game is that it's a bonus action based on vision-cones that confers advantage if successful. Very easy to exploit if you position for it. But the fact that any attack auto-reveals you kills the point of actually being "stealthy"

Action now as of PfM.

[Recjawjind]

Stealth is, at least in the current version of the game, gigabroken. I rolled up a rogue and solo'd a TON of encounters just by abusing stealth. I hope it gets fixed/significantly nerfed, even past not being able to hide within an opponents threat radius.

[buttawise]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Stealth is, at least in the current version of the game, gigabroken. I rolled up a rogue and solo'd a TON of encounters just by abusing stealth. I hope it gets fixed/significantly nerfed, even past not being able to hide within an opponents threat radius.

QfT

hear-hear.

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by jwinslow003:

I have yet to see a reason for stealth.

I found a reason for it yesterday and I've only played this game for 17 hours.

It was the most that my party died playing this game.

The solution was to go in stealth, beat the five enemies, then continue to stealth your way through the environment, triggering buttons until you get to safety.

If you didn't do it that way, then you'd die.

[Eckoh]

Originally posted by yjr123:

Originally posted by jwinslow003:

i have gone though EA a number of times... i have yet to see a reason for stealth... I'm maining a ranger archer and wood elves get a stealth bonus however i really do not see where it is useful...

I'm just wondering as i am looking at swapping to Drow for RP reasons now that we can pick the bonus stats. Afterall darkvision is a must honestly so that leaves elves or dwarfs and lets face it dwarfs looks dumb.

Yes stealth is not so good, we may be able to make great dmg before fight, but the whole team position is gonna end badly

exactly this. I means getting in one good hit seems good to take out one guy of a group but when Laz with Everburn blade one shots most early things and a ranger with colossus and hunter marks often one shots anything not at max HP stealth seems kinda lack luster. It seems stealth can be OP but too damn tedious to be worth it.

[Eckoh]

Originally posted by katzenkrimis:

Originally posted by jwinslow003:

I have yet to see a reason for stealth.

I found a reason for it yesterday and I've only played this game for 17 hours.

It was the most that my party died playing this game.

The solution was to go in stealth, beat the five enemies, then continue to stealth your way through the environment, triggering buttons until you get to safety.

If you didn't do it that way, then you'd die.

i have cleared all of EA... where is this place?? i mean i pissed off the entire goblin camp and had no deaths... just call the Ogres in the middle of the main room and you can kill every goblin in the area.

[xposethedarkside]

Stealth is bonkers in this game simply because it's a bonus action instead of a main action, like beyond broken, busted, bonkers.
If a dual wielding rogue sneaks up on you, say your prayers and eat your vitamins cuz you're probably going down.

And don't even get me started on ranged attacks, you might as well be invisible.

[Indure]

It's not really a question of if stealth is strong or weak, but rather stealth fundamentality breaks the game and the AI (at least in regards to the EA).

Currently the enemy doesn't have passive perception but instead vision cones so you can avoid stealth rolls altogether by simply staying out of sight. Also, the enemy can't reliably find you if they lose vision of you, which can be done in numerous ways. With stealth currently being a bonus action it breaks the game further, but at least it will be fixed to an action at launch.

Really the issue is that there is no rewarding playstyle around stealth. You either don't use it, or you do and the game can't handle it.

[dolby]

Originally posted by Indure:

You either don't use it, or you do and the game can't handle it.

this more or less.

At best you can only use it before combat.. but even that can be too easy if you use manual TB mode.

Not to mention buffed up halflings can stay in stealth non stop all the time even in real time...without even triggering combat... you can literally play that race as the game is action rpgs lol