NEED HELP WITH A BUILD

[larhtas]

I like to do a multiclass bard/fighter but i'm not sure how to do it.
So here some of my ideas:
- My ability would be str 16, dex 8+, con 14+, int 8+, wis 8+, cha 16. (I have put some + because i have some other points for my build that i don't what to do about [4]) The character will use heavy armor and shield.
- The character will use the sword college and the battle master subclasses.
- My idea is level 9 bard - 3 fighter.
- I'm gonna use the defensive feat of the fighter and the duellist one of the bard.
- I'm intending to do some kind of super AC character with this.

Now about my questions:
- Would you take the first level as a fighter (because more hp is good) or the bard (because more skills is better)?
- A pure bard sword college is better by itself - level 12?
- Do you have some other suggestions?

[Nox]

Originally posted by larhtas:

Originally posted by Jimeh:

The thing about Fighter is why would you ever want to stop adding more levels?

Gotta get to 2 for action surge!
Might as well get that crit threat range at 3!
Might as well just do 1 more level for the ASI
Might as well get to 5 for the extra attack!
Well, ♥♥♥♥, fighter gets another ASI at 6? I want that!
Well, hang on, 5 more levels of any other class doesn't get you ANOTHER extra attack. I might do a "multi-class" fighter6/fighter5 and get 3 attacks! None one ever thought of that build!
One more level, hmmm.... I guess fighter would be good for that ASI!

Yes, YES, fighter6/fighter5/fighter1. This build is genius!! xD

Thank you for this it made me laugh a lot! xD
I will play a level 12 fighter in my solo run. The bard guy is to play in another game in multiplayer where i like to tank and support the other player.

If the multiclass for MP isnt set in Stone, then if you are looking for a tank - support hybrid, I believe paladin would fit in that well

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Shibendo Smilando:

Originally posted by larhtas:

Thank you for this it made me laugh a lot! xD
I will play a level 12 fighter in my solo run. The bard guy is to play in another game in multiplayer where i like to tank and support the other player.

If the multiclass for MP isnt set in Stone, then if you are looking for a tank - support hybrid, I believe paladin would fit in that well

Hi thank you for you reply. What is set in stone is the bard part. And i need 5 level at least to regain all of my expended uses of Bardic Inspiration in a short rest

[Bisexual Offender]

College of valor bard is already basically a multiclass of fighter/bard

[larhtas]

I believe i will go paladin 7 - bard 5. Because now that i see it my bardic dice will be d8 and nothing more if i don't get to level 10. And i will never get to it.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Bezyn:

College of valor bard is already basically a multiclass of fighter/bard

+1
But this build is oriented around the defensive flourish feature.

[Bisexual Offender]

Originally posted by larhtas:

Originally posted by Bezyn:

College of valor bard is already basically a multiclass of fighter/bard

+1
But this build is oriented around the defensive flourish feature.

Also this makes me think, we don`t know if Larian add more feats to the game/ With right feats you could make what you want even as pure bard. But that`s only if Larian adds more feats to the game so.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Bezyn:

Originally posted by larhtas:

+1
But this build is oriented around the defensive flourish feature.

Also this makes me think, we don`t know if Larian add more feats to the game/ With right feats you could make what you want even as pure bard. But that`s only if Larian adds more feats to the game so.

That's actually a thing i didn't thought about: is the college of sword enough tanky that i shouldn't bother mix it with multiclass?
Changing it for a dex build ins't a problem here. My initial goal was to max out the AC.
In my first idea (fighter 3 - bard 9) i have a great base AC:
- 21 (heavy armor 18, +2 shield, +1 defensive fighter feat)
- 4 expertise dice to increase that AC as a reaction (1->8 bonus AC).
- 5 defensive flourish to increase that AC for one turn during an attack (1-> 8 bonus AC).
Those two features might cumulate.
All those feats replenish on a short rest.

[Bisexual Offender]

Originally posted by larhtas:

Originally posted by Bezyn:

Also this makes me think, we don`t know if Larian add more feats to the game/ With right feats you could make what you want even as pure bard. But that`s only if Larian adds more feats to the game so.

That's actually a thing i didn't thought about: is the college of sword enough tanky that i shouldn't bother mix it with multiclass?
Changing it for a dex build ins't a problem here. My initial goal was to max out the AC.
In my first idea (fighter 3 - bard 9) i have a great base AC:
- 21 (heavy armor 18, shield 2, 1 defensive fighter feat)
- 4 expertise dice to increase that AC as a reaction (1->8 bonus AC).
- 5 defensive flourish to increase that AC for one turn during an attack (1-> 8 bonus AC).
Those two features might cumulate.
All those feats replenish on a short rest.

I`m not sure about college of swords myself, but what I`m planning to play now is valor dex bard with medium armor feat to add that +3AC in med armor and hoping Larian adds fighting initiate from Tashas to get fighting style (allthough I`m going for GWF)

[larhtas]

Oh i see. Some feats has been communicated and there will be, for sure, the medium armor master (which i will take with my fighter build). For fighting initiate i hope you'll get it. If it's not in the game it will certainly be modded.

[Bisexual Offender]

Originally posted by larhtas:

Oh i see. Some feats has been communicated and there will be, for sure, the medium armor master (which i will take with my fighter build). For fighting initiate i hope you'll get it. If it's not in the game it will certainly be modded.

It already is modded in even in EA and I`m having a blast with it).
If you are not adversed to modding a bit I`m pretty sure you can try out your bild already with mods.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Bezyn:

Originally posted by larhtas:

Oh i see. Some feats has been communicated and there will be, for sure, the medium armor master (which i will take with my fighter build). For fighting initiate i hope you'll get it. If it's not in the game it will certainly be modded.

It already is modded in even in EA and I`m having a blast with it).
If you are not adversed to modding a bit I`m pretty sure you can try out your bild already with mods.

I'm waiting the release right now and i generally don't do too much mods (even if i recommand it a lot). I believe i will use the one that shows the shield on the back of characters only.

[Foolswalkin]

Sword bard thoughts incoming! I'm planning Vengeance Paladin 2/Sword Bard 10 (provisional over Valor, depending on implementation) as my first run so I've thought about the combo a bit. Bards have a great spell list but lack a little bit in the damage department, smites help with that a ton and the MC really outperforms the base class in terms of smite capacity until level 11 when the Paladin catches up a bit with Improved Smite. Paladin is a half-caster and Bard is a full caster, so this build will also end up with the spell slots of an 11th level pure spellcaster.

Originally posted by Something completely different:

Also, sword college bard doesn't sound good for a tank as taking a shield (you want ac as tank) negates a talent (fighting style) they have and defensive flourish only adds damage you don't really seem to want.

I'm planning for Paladin to take Defense and Sword Bard to take Dueling. Dueling works with a shield off-hand, and takes your average longsword damage up to average greatsword damage (it scales worse on crits, but that's what Smites are for). AC generally scales pretty poorly so anything you can do to get even 1 point ahead is significant, and therefore Defense Style provides a great base to stack Defensive Flourish on. Then I'll figure out whether there are enough stat boosting items that I can go Polearm Master/Sentinel (for spear/shield) or want the stat boosts, and respec accordingly.

For a tiny bit of extra durability, you also end up with 10 points of lay on hands (e: 10 is PHB, in game seems like 4 per level instead of 5, maybe to make up for the Oath) that you can self-heal with as a bonus action, or save to cure poisons or illnesses, and in BG3 Paladins get their Oaths at level 1, so micro Vengeance will offer a little something extra that we don't know yet.

Originally posted by larhtas:

That's actually a thing i didn't thought about: is the college of sword enough tanky that i shouldn't bother mix it with multiclass?
Changing it for a dex build ins't a problem here. My initial goal was to max out the AC.
In my first idea (fighter 3 - bard 9) i have a great base AC:
- 21 (heavy armor 18, +2 shield, +1 defensive fighter feat)
- 4 expertise dice to increase that AC as a reaction (1->8 bonus AC).
- 5 defensive flourish to increase that AC for one turn during an attack (1-> 8 bonus AC).
Those two features might cumulate.
All those feats replenish on a short rest.

Defensive flourish should stack with anything else.

Again, implementation matters a ton, but I'm also cautiously optimistic about Mobile Flourish as well. One of the issues with trying to tank in 5e is that it can be hard to get enemies off of your squishy allies, and then their best choice is just not swing at you, and all the effort you put into AC is wasted if no one is trying to hit you. Mobile Flourish gives you a push, which can already be deadly in the Larianverse given such great heights, but can also provide escape from melee for your allies followed by the ability to follow the pushed enemy to stay in their face.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

*everything you wrote*

Hi thank you for your reply. Can we take paladin vengeance before level "? Is this Larians homebrew?
Because your build interest me a lot if it is possible!

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by larhtas:

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

*everything you wrote*

Hi thank you for your reply. Can we take paladin vengeance before level "? Is this Larians homebrew?
Because your build interest me a lot if it is possible!

Well, I can't say for sure, because until we get the final build in our hands everything is a placeholder. However, if you create a Paladin in the EA build currently available, you pick your Oath at level 1, and you have an ability that uses your Channel Oath charge at level 1, so magic 8 ball says "All signs point to yes."

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Originally posted by larhtas:

Hi thank you for your reply. Can we take paladin vengeance before level "? Is this Larians homebrew?
Because your build interest me a lot if it is possible!

Well, I can't say for sure, because until we get the final build in our hands everything is a placeholder. However, if you create a Paladin in the EA build currently available, you pick your Oath at level 1, and you have an ability that uses your Channel Oath charge at level 1, so magic 8 ball says "All signs point to yes."

All right, you've changed my perspective. I will maybe try your build. Flourish will be using 10 sided dice, that's really good.