How is this acceptable??

[Rhila]

Hello everyone,

i don't like to be a part of games discussion messes and always try to stay away from them but this time i was little bit shocked, and i have one honest question for people who don't mind the sex with animal option in the game.

i want to ask people who say its an option you have your freedom to avoid it.
what about other terrifying options some games will have in the future?
next some other games will have an option for Rape, you don't have to choose it.
and next some other games will have option for Pedophilia, you don't have to choose it.

these kind of options should be illegal, we have to draw the red line.

[Ēarendel]

引用自 EH!：

Yikes. It's obvious by now people are making these posts b/c they want attention, else they'd go to one of the other 1000 threads on this topic.

No one "doesn't mind sex with a bear". It's not a bear, it's a shapeshifted humanoid that consents. It can shift back at will. It uses magic, is also not human and the other party is a vampire (i.e. dead).

Rape has been in games for ages already. Succubi and nymphs, glamours, mind control spells, all these have existed in games and fantasy in general forever.

If you care about animal rights and animals not being violated, stop consuming dairy. If you are not prepared to do that, you have no right to an opinion on animal rights in a game that doesn't involve animals, or humans for that matter.

I agree, we should stop consuming dairy and instead start consuming more beef.

[Elin]

I thank Larian for making this brave and bold move towards a more inclusive gaming industry, thus a more inclusive world.

[DCRWrites]

Going strictly by the rules of D&D, Halsin is not a bear, Halsin takes the shape of a bear. It's not bestiality, because it's not an animal.

[KingOfBeingCorrect]

引用自 JordanU：

Man this whole thing is so insanely overblown and the people coming out of the woodworks clutching their pearls are pathetic.

It's not real. Showing a comedic scene implying seducing a werebear is not going to have any real life consequences, people aren't going to start trying to assault bears because of it.

People need to learn to have a sense of humor and levity.

If we are being honest yes no one will take this to heart as THIS IS OKAY

BUT.... if they did lol all the more power to them they deserve that darwin award honestly rofl

引用自 nobalkain：

He is not in a Werebear form, its depicted as a Real Bear. Thats the issue some people have. If it was a Lycan, Beastfolk, or Werebear then people might have less of an issue as it would have Human like Features, and yes that does matter.

Its not a warebear or a real bear its a druid who can shapeshift, also this is a world where one can use a spell to speak with animals, this world gives more agencgy to creatures then the real world. Although the animals are very simplistic in nature of speech but still you need to think in this worlds logic not our own, no one is gonna think its okay to do this we all know thats wrong, its hardly something that needs to be taught we just know it. AND if it does i refer to the above point for that 1 brave soul xD

[Glorp's Biggest Fan]

It's obviously a joke. A joke in, very, poor taste? Very possible, yes, but an obvious joke nonetheless. I don't see how it condones or can promote bestiality. However, if they did end up actually animating bear on vampire elf action (which is what I'm kind of afraid of because of the "Not safe for streaming" screen that came up), then that stops being a joke and becomes completely perverse. Let's hope I'm wrong. Secondly, rape and pedophilia are way worse than bestiality imo and have many, many real world victims. No one IRL is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a bear. And if they even try to do so, the problem fixes itself very quickly. If they had him shapeshift into a dog or goat, then this argument would have more weight to it. I also kind of find it funny that people aren't also complaining about the mass murder, child murder, roleplaying as a hyper violent serial killer (the dark urge), etc. Kind of comes off as pearl clutchy, imo.

Personally, I wish Larian didn't actually add the scene in or at the very least left it up to 'innuendo'. Even though it's always been a sort of 'in-joke' for the DnD community, I think it's a little too much to actually add a scene with that. i won't be pursuing that scene as I'm not into that ♥♥♥♥, but I still laughed my ass off at the sheer shock of it.

[nobalkain]

引用自 Hobocop：

引用自 nobalkain：

He is not in a Werebear form, its depicted as a Real Bear. Thats the issue some people have. If it was a Lycan, Beastfolk, or Werebear then people might have less of an issue as it would have Human like Features, and yes that does matter.

Werewolves have been portrayed in plenty of different ways across mythology. Including just a full-on physical wolf while transformed.

Replace 'wolf' with 'bear'.

Seems you've defeated your own point.

No its not because I would have an issue with Marketing having shown this during a Live Stream with any Animal Form, be it Wolf, Bear, Deer, or anything else.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

引用自 larhtas：

And it's not a real sex scene neither.

And the partner isn't even living, much less a human

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

引用自 nobalkain：

引用自 Hobocop：

Werewolves have been portrayed in plenty of different ways across mythology. Including just a full-on physical wolf while transformed.

Replace 'wolf' with 'bear'.

Seems you've defeated your own point.

No its not because I would have an issue with Marketing having shown this during a Live Stream with any Animal Form, be it Wolf, Bear, Deer, or anything else.

So you wouldn't have a problem with a werewolf on undead sex in it's more modern, more popular form, but you would have a problem with a werewolf on undead sex in its more original form...makes perfect sense....After all there are so many werewolfs and undead around nowadays.....or ever....
You do understand the meaning of fictional or fantasy, do you?

[nobalkain]

引用自 Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя：

引用自 nobalkain：

No its not because I would have an issue with Marketing having shown this during a Live Stream with any Animal Form, be it Wolf, Bear, Deer, or anything else.

So you wouldn't have a problem with a werewolf on undead sex in it's more modern, more popular form, but you would have a problem with a werewolf on undead sex in its more original form...makes perfect sense....After all there are so many werewolfs and undead around nowadays.....or ever....
You do understand the meaning of fictional or fantasy, do you?

Yes I do, but I also have the right to express what I see as an issue. I love how you just keep throwing out things at me like its somehow going to get me to change my mind, or get me in a "Gotcha" Moment.

Yes I have issues with Realistic Animal Forms being depicted that way. I also already stated I have issues with any Undead Banging. I have also said I dont want it Censored or Banned, just have issues with How Marketing showed it during the Stream.

I have no idea why you are so upset with me expressing all this.

[Elin]

Everything should be permitted in a fantasy world, let us be represented. We deserve fair representation. What is so wrong with inclusion?

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

引用自 nobalkain：

引用自 Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя：

So you wouldn't have a problem with a werewolf on undead sex in it's more modern, more popular form, but you would have a problem with a werewolf on undead sex in its more original form...makes perfect sense....After all there are so many werewolfs and undead around nowadays.....or ever....
You do understand the meaning of fictional or fantasy, do you?

Yes I do, but I also have the right to express what I see as an issue. I love how you just keep throwing out things at me like its somehow going to get me to change my mind, or get me in a "Gotcha" Moment.

Yes I have issues with Realistic Animal Forms being depicted that way. I also already stated I have issues with any Undead Banging. I have also said I dont want it Censored or Banned, just have issues with How Marketing showed it during the Stream.

I have no idea why you are so upset with me expressing all this.

I'm not upset at all. I don't know how you would think that. I find all of this outrage over a stupid and silly decades old meme hilarious. I love that Larian included that, and I love even more how many people get riled up over such a stupid thing, in a game where you can do so horrible things, that wolfheartfps had to turn his head away. And no he didn't elude to something sexual...

[Zoopy]

引用自 Rhila：

next some other games will have an option for Rape, you don't have to choose it.
and next some other games will have option for Pedophilia, you don't have to choose it.

"If we allow consensual sex between two characters, next they'll have non-consensual sex between characters and even children!!!" is quite the hot take, but okay.

[Puffin]

引用自 EH!：

Yikes. It's obvious by now people are making these posts b/c they want attention, else they'd go to one of the other 1000 threads on this topic.

No one "doesn't mind sex with a bear". It's not a bear, it's a shapeshifted humanoid that consents. It can shift back at will. It uses magic, is also not human and the other party is a vampire (i.e. dead).

Rape has been in games for ages already. Succubi and nymphs, glamours, mind control spells, all these have existed in games and fantasy in general forever.

If you care about animal rights and animals not being violated, stop consuming dairy. If you are not prepared to do that, you have no right to an opinion on animal rights in a game that doesn't involve animals, or humans for that matter.

Ah yeah, so what if the shapeshifter can transform himself into a body of 8 years old boy, and you can choose the same option??? Is this excuse also works then???

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

引用自 Ginger Tsundere：

引用自 EH!：

Yikes. It's obvious by now people are making these posts b/c they want attention, else they'd go to one of the other 1000 threads on this topic.

No one "doesn't mind sex with a bear". It's not a bear, it's a shapeshifted humanoid that consents. It can shift back at will. It uses magic, is also not human and the other party is a vampire (i.e. dead).

Rape has been in games for ages already. Succubi and nymphs, glamours, mind control spells, all these have existed in games and fantasy in general forever.

If you care about animal rights and animals not being violated, stop consuming dairy. If you are not prepared to do that, you have no right to an opinion on animal rights in a game that doesn't involve animals, or humans for that matter.

Ah yeah, so what if the shapeshifter can transform himself into a body of 8 years old boy, and you can choose the same option??? Is this excuse also works then???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg
Have a read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Edit: I really need a template/makro for this...

[Kkat]

引用自 Rhila：

Hello everyone,

Hello, Rhila.

The answer to your concerns is simple: context matters.

Let me illustrate. If someone much older causes a teenage girl to become pregnant, should that not cause moral outrage? Would you not call that person a pedophile? But... what if the person insists that there was no lust involved? That he has no attraction to children? That he only acted to create offspring? Is he still a pedophile?

What if I told you the person in question is God and the teenager was a young girl named Mary?

Does context matter? I am sure we can both agree that it is harmful to children to present them with stories glorifying pedophiles.

So how is teaching children the Bible acceptable?

The same way Balder's Gate III is acceptable. Context.