I really don't understand the morality of people nowadays

[mysticfall]

I don't like bestiality in general because it usually involves animal cruelty and you don't usually get consent from an animal for such things. But when the animal involved is a sentient bear I don't see any problem with it, if you have a taste for such stuff.

But this is not what I want to say about the matter.

What I really find so grotesque is how people go crazy over making love to a bear while having absolutely no problem with the game allowing you to massacre everyone, both good and bad.

The game even encourages you to do such things by introducing an Origin character suitable for the "murder-hobo" route and making sure killing everyone won't break the gameplay.

I know morality can be subjective but I still have difficulty imagining a frame of ethics in which making love can be considered a worse sin than murdering innocent people en mass.

Don't get me wrong. I do NOT object to video games which allow evil gameplay. To me, anything goes in fantasy, even such controversial topics like racism, or objectification of women, as long as they are not depicted in a way to condone such activities in real life.

But to see people go overboard with fantasy sex while having absolutely no problem with mass murdering innocent people makes me cringe as it shows how perverted the morality our contemporary society imposes on us.

[Rusted Metal]

Well, if i'm not mistaken.

Hitler thought it was cruel to keep goldfish in a glass bowl and he was vegetarian.

Just to show how morality can be very very weird and subjective.


Although to be fair.... i have alot of trouble watching animals be killed in real life, but i do watch gore videos involving humans with no issues. so.... /shrug.

[Hari]

Combine early American puritan ethos, with Internet-age nihilism and pseudonym-empowered antagonism, and maybe a dash of state-sponsored provocateurs, and you get crap like what you're describing.

[mysticfall]

Originally posted by Rusted Metal:

Although to be fair.... i have alot of trouble watching animals be killed in real life, but i do watch gore videos involving humans with no issues. so.... /shrug.

I don't feel it odd as the case I mentioned in my post. If you had more trouble watching animals killed in real life than watching real people get murdered, I would've thought it weird.

The people I referred to are those who find more trouble with fantasy love-making involving a bear than with fantasy mass murdering of innocent people.

[Rivazar]

People are ok if you wipe out tieflings and druids, people are ok with cruelty against animals, people are ok with killing goblin children. But god save you if you ♥♥♥♥ a Druid shapeshifter (not real bear).

[Lurnaezel]

I love how the Twitter-obsessed perma-victims have taken people disliking the bear thing to mean that they're waging a culture war.

Incredible.

[Rusted Metal]

Originally posted by mysticfall:

If you had more trouble watching animals killed in real life than watching real people get murdered, I would've thought it weird.

well gore videos do involve murders but they make me more more angry then anything else.

I saw 2 men just walking minding their business then a do came and shot them both to death and he said he did it because they looked "smug".

If it's gang members killing each other then i have no sympathy for either of them and can watch the video happily.

Originally posted by mysticfall:

The people I referred to are those who find more trouble with fantasy love-making involving a bear than with fantasy mass murdering of innocent people.

i've said before, it comes down to taboos, violence in video games had it's massive backlash and now it's just normal so people pay it less mind, it's just people cant see their own desensitization to it.

But animal sex is obviously still very taboo (and for good reasons) but you can't apply real world logic to a fantasy world where humans can turn into animals.

[SpaceNvader]

The "both sides" mentality is intellectually lazy and cowardly. One side wants to deny the other side the right to exist. And that is fundamentally immoral like genocide and eugenics.

[Dionysos]

This was a hysterical controversy since start around here.
I said it many times ... we DO NOT know what is going on since the clip was cutted. We DO NOT know if there will be graphical content shown or not. We DO NOT know, if Astarion gives the bear a little hug and a tiny pet on the head and THEN Halsin transforms back and both a laughing about it, because that whole seen is obviously meant as bad taste joke and a wink to certain fanfictioneers like the "only fangs" people. We have NO IDEA WHATS GOING ON ... but people have OPINION. Ban that game! Report it because its illegal (strange i was able to buy a tested game in my home country on an officially market place / seller then if its haveing "illegal content"). We dont know for sure. Still people are reacting with emotions instead of waiting until we reached the point that we know FOR SURE.

But it is so much fun telling others YOU ARE DEGENERATES, I AM SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU.
So hey! Why not annoy other people on the forums with a handful whineing discussion about how bad everyone are and everything is and THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT SANE OR NORMAL AND NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN WITH THE RPG YOU ARE WAITING FOR 3 YEARS.

Honestly ... hystery. Insanity. Only worthless barking at the gardens gate stealing emotional energy from people.

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by mysticfall:

To see people go overboard with fantasy sex while having absolutely no problem with mass murdering innocent people makes me cringe.

Tolkien would have something to say about that. So would George RR Martin. So would the greatest military leaders in history.

Technically, Pavetta was having sex with a hedgehog, in The Witcher.

Fritz the Cat has been a perv since 1959.

Solas sleeping with Bull in Dragon Age: Inquisition was enough to make me cringe.

Sure, those are anthropomorphic examples but they are tying together the love that animals and humans have for each other in the same way.

You can post a video of this game on YouTube and you'll be lucky to get 100,000 views.

You can post a video of a turtle eating a watermelon and it'll get seven million views.

Our love for animals and war is strong.

[Kit-Kat]

Originally posted by Dionysos:

You say 'we don't know', but this game has an ESRB rating, and it's M, no AO. There will be no graphic depictions of sex, and certainly not any between a human form person and an animal form person.

[Arani]

In nordics at least it's a common source of wonder and amusement how hypocritical Americans are about this sort of stuff. Wanton violence in all entertainment and glorifying weapons is a-ok. But a little nip slip and everyone goes crazy.

But just like your point with animals (which is true btw), I find that you can't really understand or debate these people with reason, because their stance is not based on it. There are a lot of narrowminded people in the world. Whether they were made that way by culture or religion or not doesn't really matter. The point is that they are very set in their ways, and they don't question the logic of why they think the way they do.

I genuinely know good people, *good*, helpful, peaceful, trustworthy, hardworking and loving people who would do anything for their friends and family... who at the same time absolutely abhor LGBTQ+ people, can be exceedingly racist, and are simply completely incapable of empathizing with those different from their group. Sure there are real a-holes too, but at least they are consistent. But these good people seem just... locked, set in their way of thinking. They don't understand that their core personality and values, conflict with their actions. And they don't even have a reason for why they feel that way. "It's just not ok", but they can't really explain why. You can give them plenty of examples of other similar stuff that they are ok with, and they'll go through any mental gymnastics they can to justify it to themselves so they can say that it's not the same.

It's kinda like if you know people who do something dumb they know is wrong, like unhealthy life choices, breaking rules, or treat people a certain way... and then the consequences come. And they blame that on luck, some god, the government... anything but themselves. A person might spend 6h a day doing nothing at all, and then say the reason they don't go to gym or do Z Y or Z is because they don't have time. Some people might say they never have any luck finding jobs, when you know for a fact they never even put in any real effort. Some people may be completely irresponsible about money and spend it every which way willy nilly, and then complain the reason they don't have money is because of a bad pay or taxes. Some people may treat others like garbage, and then wonder why nobody likes them. Some might go years spending half their work time doing the bare minimum, and the other half being late and on sick leave, and then complain how unfair it is that they don't get a raise and a promotion.

These people just seem to completely lack the ability to remain critical of their own actions, to take responsibility for what they do. I mean everyone makes bad choices, but I'd like to imagine at least some of us understand that when we do. And we know it was *our* choice, and whatever comes is our responsibility. And the only way to change the outcome, is to look within ourselves, be better, and do differently. That's how we evolve as people. And if we choose not to because that smoke or candy or time lounging and watching movies is just so good? Then we accept that, and we accept that there is a price to pay for it, and it's our own fault, and that's how it works.

Some people just can't do that it seems. So they for example hate gays because they just do. They don't really know why, they don't ask, they don't care, that's just how it works for them. They don't question themselves, they don't try to understand themselves, they don't examine their own views or try to learn to be better people. They just are what they are, and can go on autopilot for an entire lifetime.

[GunSlinger]

We are indeed in a culture war. For some people they are all in and anything on the other side is enough to drive them mad. For most its the little things that drive them further in one direction or another. Personally I am a conservative Christian. But I'm no bible thumper. I could absolutely care less that the left/liberals/woke do personally. What I do care about is when their agenda effects me, or my family, in anyway shape or form in a way that I do not agree with. I'll leave you alone if you leave me and mine alone. If you don't ... we are going to have a problem. And today ... we have lots of problems.

[Super_]

Don't worry if you don't understand them OP. There is nothing to understand in lunacy.

[Ranxerox]

Originally posted by Hari:

Combine early American puritan ethos, with Internet-age nihilism and pseudonym-empowered antagonism, and maybe a dash of state-sponsored provocateurs, and you get crap like what you're describing.

Well said

[Hanok]

It's really simple. Bestiality is disgusting and those guilty of it have some wires disconnected in their brain. Like when the FBI hooked up serial killers to lie detector tests and found many see/feel no difference between crushing a bug or killing innocent people.

The issue here is the majority understand it's a sick joke and nothing more. The minority are triggered and CHOOSE to be outraged by it. These are the peeps who try to cancel Dave Chappelle or Bill Bur because their comedy offends their DELICATE sensibilities.


It's a sick joke, nothing more.