Best Multiclassing Options.

[Dionysos]

Hey y´all. I am very new to DnD stuff and i am wondering what combinations are the best for Multiclassing? I think about adding to my selune light cleric also warrior lvl 5 so i can have multiple attacks plus better weapons / armor. What you think about that idea? Good thought or am i missing too much good on higher cleric levels? And what kind of combinations do you want / suggest to use? :)

[WeenerTuck813]

Originally posted by Zangetsu:

What i like about D&D 5e is that pure classes are completely viable. Multiclassing usually rewards system mastery, it varies on strengths and weaknesses depending on the build.

One of the strongest multiclass combos is Ranger gloomstalker 5 and rogue X. You go to level 5 because thats a DPR powerspike with multiattack, and rogue X after that gives you a steady rogue dpr increase with extra sneak attack dice every 2 levels.

You get all the utility of the ranger, as well as darkvision and invisibility from your subclass, and then you get rogue expertise in skills and a steady DPR increase in sneak attack dice.

Thats probably the best example of a multiclass where the Ranger5/Rogue X is stronger then mono ranger and mono rogue.

Some multiclasses are bad like if you are multiclassing 2 martials and dont go to level 5 on a martial getting extra attack.. Not all multiclasses are created equal.

Some multiclass combos are more streamlined as mono class. For example A rogue wizard is satsified already with just mono rogue into arcane trickster. You dont lose out on any rogue features and get a streamlined spellcasting built in.

I’d argue either monoclass is actually stronger re: Gloomstalker / Thief

[Zangetsu]

Originally posted by WeenerTuck813:

Originally posted by Zangetsu:

What i like about D&D 5e is that pure classes are completely viable. Multiclassing usually rewards system mastery, it varies on strengths and weaknesses depending on the build.

One of the strongest multiclass combos is Ranger gloomstalker 5 and rogue X. You go to level 5 because thats a DPR powerspike with multiattack, and rogue X after that gives you a steady rogue dpr increase with extra sneak attack dice every 2 levels.

You get all the utility of the ranger, as well as darkvision and invisibility from your subclass, and then you get rogue expertise in skills and a steady DPR increase in sneak attack dice.

Thats probably the best example of a multiclass where the Ranger5/Rogue X is stronger then mono ranger and mono rogue.

Some multiclasses are bad like if you are multiclassing 2 martials and dont go to level 5 on a martial getting extra attack.. Not all multiclasses are created equal.

Some multiclass combos are more streamlined as mono class. For example A rogue wizard is satsified already with just mono rogue into arcane trickster. You dont lose out on any rogue features and get a streamlined spellcasting built in.

I’d argue either monoclass is actually stronger re: Gloomstalker / Thief

Well ranger doesnt get better DPR wise past lvl 5 in most cases. So your DPR is really high and then it starts to fall off as a mono ranger. While Ranger Rogue has a steady increase of DPR with sneak attack dice, and they get cunning action as well as 4 expertise choices and whatever else there subclass brings to the table. not to mention evasion at rogue 7. The DPR is 3 attacks on the first round thats better if not comparable to a mono rogue and its obviously better then a mono ranger. Not to mention they get lvl 1 and lvl 2 ranger spells, and gloomstalker gives darkvision, invisibilty to darkvision, and an extra attack on first round.

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by WeenerTuck813:

I’d argue either monoclass is actually stronger re: Gloomstalker / Thief

Go right ahead. What are the main pieces of your argument?
I think Gloomstalker/Assassin is the relevant comparison, btw. The synergies for the first round stack much better than Thief, if you weren't just using Thief as the old-school name for Rogue.

[seandeven]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Originally posted by WeenerTuck813:

I’d argue either monoclass is actually stronger re: Gloomstalker / Thief

Go right ahead. What are the main pieces of your argument?

I see now all you want to do is quibble when you think you can win.

[Foolswalkin]

Who's quibbling? It's fair to ask for reasons.

Wait, don't answer, no point arguing with someone who just doubles down with anger when they're caught red handed and then starts stalking. Blocked.

[Dremall]

Originally posted by Dionysos:

Hey y´all. I am very new to DnD stuff and i am wondering what combinations are the best for Multiclassing? I think about adding to my selune light cleric also warrior lvl 5 so i can have multiple attacks plus better weapons / armor. What you think about that idea? Good thought or am i missing too much good on higher cleric levels? And what kind of combinations do you want / suggest to use? :)

I would highly recommend learning the ropes before thinking about multi classing. A lot of multi classing tends to be one or two level dips for specific class features from another class. Your giving up an ASI or Feat to do so. Is the feature worth the cost of the ASI or Feat? The loss of potential spell slots.

[Aria Athena]

Where can I find a full list of what has been confirmed to be in the game?

[Tommy The Gun]

I do wonder if Barbarian's Unarmored Defense will stack with Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer's Draconic Resilience (+3 to armour if you aren't wearing armour). Did anyone tested it ?

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by Tommy The Gun:

I do wonder if Barbarian's Unarmored Defense will stack with Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer's Draconic Resilience (+3 to armour if you aren't wearing armour). Did anyone tested it ?

All I can say is that it shouldn't. Technically it's not +3, it's 13 +Dex, while UD is 10 +Dex +Con.

[Tommy The Gun]

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

Originally posted by Tommy The Gun:

I do wonder if Barbarian's Unarmored Defense will stack with Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer's Draconic Resilience (+3 to armour if you aren't wearing armour). Did anyone tested it ?

All I can say is that it shouldn't. Technically it's not +3, it's 13 +Dex, while UD is 10 +Dex +Con.

Thats a bummer.

Wiki says:
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Draconic+Resilience:+Armour+Class
"Dragon-like scales cover parts of your skin. When you aren't wearing armour, your Base Armour Class increased by 3."

So I hoped it would stack. Maybe description is outdated.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by Tommy The Gun:

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

All I can say is that it shouldn't. Technically it's not +3, it's 13 +Dex, while UD is 10 +Dex +Con.

Thats a bummer.

Wiki says:
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Draconic+Resilience:+Armour+Class
"Dragon-like scales cover parts of your skin. When you aren't wearing armour, your Base Armour Class increased by 3."

So I hoped it would stack. Maybe description is outdated.

I'm not sure if that's the wording used in-game, but it's imprecise. The description of the feature in the DnD 5e rules is as follows:

"parts of your skin are covered by a thin sheen of dragon-like scales. When you aren’t wearing armor, your AC equals 13 + your Dexterity modifier."

Notably, by 5e rules you only get to choose one method by which your AC is calculated (which avoids tabletop players from saying "I wear chainmail under my platemail, is my AC 34 now?" or similar). Draconic Lineage grants its own method of AC calculation, as does Unarmored Defense. You can choose one or the other, but you can't add them together.

It's kinda like how the Extra Attack feature at level 5 says "attack twice instead of once" instead of "gain an extra attack", which means you can't collect the feature from multiple classes to get a bunch of attacks.

[EMT-Fields]

gloom stalker + rogue assassin + fighter

[Tommy The Gun]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by Tommy The Gun:

Thats a bummer.

Wiki says:
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Draconic+Resilience:+Armour+Class
"Dragon-like scales cover parts of your skin. When you aren't wearing armour, your Base Armour Class increased by 3."

So I hoped it would stack. Maybe description is outdated.

I'm not sure if that's the wording used in-game, but it's imprecise. The description of the feature in the DnD 5e rules is as follows:

"parts of your skin are covered by a thin sheen of dragon-like scales. When you aren’t wearing armor, your AC equals 13 + your Dexterity modifier."

Notably, by 5e rules you only get to choose one method by which your AC is calculated (which avoids tabletop players from saying "I wear chainmail under my platemail, is my AC 34 now?" or similar). Draconic Lineage grants its own method of AC calculation, as does Unarmored Defense. You can choose one or the other, but you can't add them together.

It's kinda like how the Extra Attack feature at level 5 says "attack twice instead of once" instead of "gain an extra attack", which means you can't collect the feature from multiple classes to get a bunch of attacks.

Yeap, in the game the descriptions says that your AC is 13. So unfortunatly it won't stack with Barb or Monk. The description on the wiki is wrong.

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by Dremall:

Originally posted by Dionysos:

Hey y´all. I am very new to DnD stuff and i am wondering what combinations are the best for Multiclassing? I think about adding to my selune light cleric also warrior lvl 5 so i can have multiple attacks plus better weapons / armor. What you think about that idea? Good thought or am i missing too much good on higher cleric levels? And what kind of combinations do you want / suggest to use? :)

I would highly recommend learning the ropes before thinking about multi classing. A lot of multi classing tends to be one or two level dips for specific class features from another class. Your giving up an ASI or Feat to do so. Is the feature worth the cost of the ASI or Feat? The loss of potential spell slots.

Or just ask advice, like the OP is doing. MCing can be tricky to build right from scratch, but most builds aren’t that complicated to follow.

With cleric specifically, if you want extra attacks I’d recommend Ranger over Fighter. Ranger is a Wis-based half-caster, so you don’t lose as much spellcasting given how MC spellcasting works in 5e. A cleric7/ranger 5 would have the same spell casting slots as a 9th level cleric, and access to many spells not on the normal cleric spell list.

For Selune, you could also run Life Cleric/Gloomstalker, which is very on-brand and on-domain for The Night Maiden. It also gives you the best healing combo in the game, Disciple of Life/Goodberry (assuming Larian implements it correctly per Sage Advice). This takes a 1st level spell that normally heals a total of 8 hp and makes it heal 32 hp instead, and it’s available at character level 3, when that amount of healing is superb.

And you get Gloomstalker’s extra darkness powered abilities, which are pretty fun with Polearm Master/Sentinel (if you think that combo is OP to begin with, see what happens when the user is also permanently invisible as long as they are in the dark). Plus Glaive (often) has a crescent shaped blade for even more symbolism.

Simple progression goes Cleric 1, Ranger till extra attack at level 5, then Cleric till the end.

[dolby]

and multiclass is harder now that we know that there is no rolling for stats..